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 00:48 < matches> I will link to it anyway see
 00:49 < matches> The odds of anyone actually following the link are slim
 00:49 < matches> If it doesn't work I'll tell people to run it in wine
+09:33 < sulix> Those are damn nice graphs!
+09:34 < sulix> I take it there's no 'rat' measurement because it's too slow.
+09:35 < sulix> pxzoom is actually the same as the mouse, the mouse still does random expf() calls to work out the zoom amount.
+09:35 < sulix> (I thought I'd changed that, but apparently not)
+09:37 < sulix> Also, thank god we don't use 'sin': http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
+09:38 < matches> There should be a rat measurement?
+09:38 < matches> In the loss of precision graph, the path-rat program loses no precision
+09:39 < matches> But it's underneath all the other implementations that also lose no precision
+09:39 < matches> They are all on the same line...
+09:39 < matches> In the accumulated error graph, it is down near 10^{-2}
+09:39 < matches> I'm not sure why it isn't at zero...
+09:39 < matches> I'm just going to point vaguely at the expf function
+09:41 < matches> I'll probably add MPFR with 10 bits (half floats...) and X bits where X is a lot
+09:41 < matches> But not today
+09:41 < matches> My draft fleshes out a lot more when I uncomment things...
+09:41 < matches> I mean the idea of commenting them was that they'd be removed
+09:42 < matches> Also there are two sources of error in the Direct transformation
+09:42 < matches> I need to think about whether they are both equally bad or one is worse
+09:42 < matches> You need to apply the inverse view transformation to express the svg in document space
+09:43 < matches> *Then* you apply the view transformation to render it
+09:43 < matches> Either of those could be the one that breaks it, but I suspect the rendering transformation is worse
+09:46 < matches> Maybe some of the ipython figures don't have path-rat in them, I forget
+11:40  * sulix sighs.
+11:40 < sulix> cssubmit requires my abstract to be in ASCII, so the é in Bézier means cssubmit rejects it.
+11:51 < matches> Haha
+11:51 < matches> I got excited when Rowan said "Looks great to me" and then I realised he was talking about your abstract not my draft... :P
+11:52 < matches> That would have been impressive speed reading
+11:52 < matches> My abstract is sort of really terrible
+11:52 < matches> It clings to the whole "document formats" thing that the project was alledgedly about but has moved well away from
+11:53 < matches> It also promises that I'll compare arbitrary precision floats as well, so I guess I better hack something together with those...
+11:53 < matches> Maybe a graph showing how you can increase the precision but then the FPS goes down
+11:54 < sulix> That'd ve really good, actually.
+11:55 < matches> Yeah I think I did something similar for CQM once
+12:06 < matches> Hmm, I can probably hack together a CPU renderer only binary for windows
+12:06 < matches> He says, ignoring the tendency for the CPU renderer to shit itself and die
+12:07 < matches> It'd be a Cool Feature for it to fall back to the CPU renderer instead of just segfaulting
+12:08 < matches> Falling back to the backup renderer always sounds impressive
+12:08 < matches> Everyone loved it when HTR did that
+12:08 < matches> (And then I realised the "backup" renderer was actually better)
+12:17 < sulix> I've fixed (hopefully) the OpenGL version detection. It should now Fatal() when the driver doesn't have needed extensions.
+13:43 < sulix> Excellent: the é has gone through!
+--- Day changed Sat Oct 11 2014
+10:02  * sulix -> Perth Games Festival
+14:52 < Pommers> Is it good there?
+18:22 < matches> The "fix" to OpenGL version detection now means I don't have a valid version of OpenGL.
+18:23 < matches> It was working perfectly fine before
+18:24  * matches -> s/Fatal/Error/ and hopes it still works anyway
+18:25 < matches> Should you be setting the GL minor version to 1 and then failing if it isn't 3
+18:26 < matches> I am confused how this even works
+18:26 < matches> My OpenGL version is apparently 3.1 and the if statement apparently checks "IsVersion" 3.2
+18:26 < matches> And then says "We want 3.3"
+18:28 < matches> I get no error if I set the minor version attribute to 3
+18:28 < matches> So I take it we required 3.3 functions but were specifying that we only needed 3.1 or something
+18:28 < matches> And somehow the 3.3 functions still worked?
+18:29 < matches> Anyway, I'm in favour of the "Instead of terminating the program, report an error and then see whether it will crash anyway" approach
+18:29 < matches> If it *does* crash, then at least we warned them
+18:29 < matches> If it doesn't crash, hey it's running! Everyone wins!
+18:43 < matches> Using integer indices for different types of Real seemed like *such* a good idea at the time
+18:43 < matches> And then there was the ability to have up to three different types of Real...
+18:45 < matches> -std=c++11 -g -Wall -Werror -Wshadow -pedantic -rdynamic -I../contrib/include/SDL2 -I`pwd` -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-64 -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I. -Itests -I. -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DREALTYPE=1 -DQUADTREE_DISABLED -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DTRANSFORM_OBJECTS_NOT_VIEW -DTRANSFORM_BEZIERS_TO_PATH -DPATHREAL=Gmprat -c -MMD
+18:45 < matches> Truly our Makefile is a thing of beauty
+18:47 < matches> It's so beautiful that there is now a Python function to invoke it with different arguments
+18:57  * matches stabs indentation errors
+18:59 < matches> "Unindent does not match any outer indentation level" What the fuck
+18:59 < matches> What the hell is an undindent
+18:59 < matches> It is pointing at a ':' character
+19:00 < matches> Oh
+19:00 < matches> It's because I copied it from ipython which magically converts your tabs to spaces
+19:00 < matches> And then tried to add things to it indenting with tabs
+19:01 < matches> I think it's a conspiracy to make the tabs vs spaces war even worse
+19:02 < matches> Now people have no option to compromise
+19:02 < matches> Or, in my case, use tabs where we bloody well typed tabs in the first place
+19:35 < matches> My clock says it's 3am, that's about how I feel...
+19:42 < matches> "Just use MPFR" is looking more and more likely to be the conclusion
+19:42 < matches> Wait...
+19:42  * matches eats hat
+19:43 < matches> Well, GMP rationals applied to path bounds is faster than mpfr with 1024 bits applied directly
+19:43 < matches> That's probably not a fair test though
+19:56 -!- msh [~matt@evil.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] has joined #ipdf
+--- Day changed Sun Oct 12 2014
+14:53 < matches> Setting up the performance tests is a real pain if you want to actually include the really slow methods
+14:53 < matches> Well, restarting them can be painful
+14:54 < matches> Which means if you screw them up...
+14:58 < matches> Placing a limit of 30s per frame was perhaps a bit too generous
+15:05 < Pommers> THis is why you should use a build server
+15:05 < matches> Yeah except that's more effort to set up than it would save
+15:05 < matches> We even have one
+15:06 < matches> Motsugo could potentially run all these tests
+15:06 < matches> But it has to use a CPU renderer and is therefore shit
+15:06 < matches> Seeing the results in real time is a huge advantage
+15:06  * Pommers really needs to set up a proper Jenkins set up for UCC
+15:06 < matches> Oh, I'm not allowed to use my own laptop in the conference
+15:07 < matches> So if you want to fix the MinGW build for me... :P
+15:07 < matches> I'll see if sulix's magical GL version changes fixed anything later
+15:08 < matches> Ah
+15:08 < Pommers> I can give it a shot tonight. If you proof read some stuff for me right now
+15:08 < matches> I'm querying the FPS once the view has stopped being scaled
+15:08 < matches> Ok
+15:09 < matches> (I should record performance in the python script I think)
+15:09 < Pommers> tonight means after I finish work that is
+15:09 < matches> So 3am?
+15:09 < Pommers> Nah, like 6.30ish
+15:09 < matches> Honestly I'm probably just going to run a video
+15:10 < matches> But it'd be nice to say "Here's the binary with which you can reproduce the results"
+15:18 < matches> It's probably going to need to run on a Windows 95 presentation PC or something
+15:19 < matches> It has geometry shaders so it's probably beyond hope that it would work
+15:19 < matches> Hmm, do I need to prepare a response do a "Why didn't you just use <insert name of a language that isn't C++ here>"
+15:20 < matches> I seem to get that question every time I use C++ for anything
+15:20 < matches> Or alternately "Why didn't you use boost"
+16:19 < matches> sulix: What black magic should I do if I want to include the debug font in a screenshot...
+16:45  * matches resorts to ffmpeg instead
+16:45 < matches> With the disadvantage that 1 frame in a screen grap != 1 frame in the demo :(
+16:45 < matches> grap
+16:45 < matches> grape
+16:45 < matches> grab
+--- Day changed Tue Oct 14 2014
+00:00 -!- Pommers [bobgeorge33@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] has quit [Quit: I'll be back]
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+00:17 -!- bobgeorge33 is now known as Pommers
+09:47 -!- Pommers [~bobgeorge@pommers.org] has quit [Quit: This Shouldn't Be Happening]
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+13:34 < matches> My presentation is tonight
+13:34 < matches> Looks like Tim is back just in time to watch it!
+14:50 < sulix> In order to break things at exactly the wrong moment, IPDF has a profiler now.
+14:50 < sulix> It dumps the time spent in various functions at the end of each frame.
+15:10 < matches> That's pretty awesome
+15:11 < matches> Ok, time to test this pdf in adobe reader...
+15:11 < matches> And scream if it doesn't work
+15:19  * matches screams
+15:20 < sulix> Oh dear...
+15:20 < sulix> The power of adobe!
+15:24 < matches> I bet the videos don't work either
+15:26 < sulix> What format are they in?
+15:26 < matches> mkv
+15:26 < matches> They work
+15:26 < matches> I guess it was too much to expect pdflatex to produce a valid pdf
+15:35 < Pommers> Latex PDF? Got it working yet?
+15:55 < matches> No
+15:56 < matches> I have narrowed it down to
+15:56 < matches> "Cannot include graphics in slides"
+15:56 < matches> Which will make for an amazing presentation
+15:58 < matches> Ah
+15:58 < matches> Adobe doesn't support including pdfs within pdfs
+15:58 < sulix> What!?
+15:59 < sulix> Man, I've included pdfs within pdfs in pretty much every assignment I've submitted ever.
+15:59 < matches> I don't know
+15:59 < matches> That's the first place it shits itself
+15:59  * sulix ponders whether or not this may have affected marks.
+15:59 < matches> Debugging by repeatedly commentint out bits of TeX and recompiling is not very efficient and/or fun
+16:00 < sulix> Worst comes to the worst, take screenshots of all of your slides, I guess...
+16:00 < sulix> (Or download a windows binary for evince/etc and put that on the thumb drive)
+16:02 < matches> Yeah I'm supposed to be registering now
+16:25 < Pommers> matches: Send me the tex source and I'll try
+--- Day changed Wed Oct 15 2014
+10:38 < matches> Frames compiled it for me on Windows, so I survived
+10:40 < Pommers> Yeah. That's what I was going to do
+10:40  * Pommers should really set up that build server properly
+13:18 < matches> I might have promised a Windows version in the talk...
+13:18 < matches> Also saving, loading
+13:18 < matches> And...
+13:18 < matches> Shading
+16:05 < matches> I wonder if I can hack in a "draw" mode...
+16:05 < matches> Now that the conference is over, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
+16:06 < matches> (Except there's only two weeks left)
+16:06 < matches> ... < 2 weeks left
+--- Day changed Sun Oct 19 2014
+14:48 < sulix> Far out: I'm looking up some IEEE GPU stuff, and Google keeps pointing me to your lit review.
+17:01 < matches> :S
+17:02 < matches> I need to muster the courage to write more of my report
+17:02 < matches> So tired
+--- Day changed Mon Oct 20 2014
+22:45 < sulix> So it turns out that the crazy multithreadedness of the control panel totally bollockses up the profiler.
+22:46 < sulix> Which explains the random crashing due to "impossible things happening" like "functions returning before their parents do".
+22:49 < sulix> The everything gets bollocksed when adding text bug is also fixed.
+22:50 < sulix> The magical invisible turtles bug remains.
+22:51  * sulix wonders if he should see the teenage mutant ninja turtles movie for an explaination.
+23:48 < sulix> For reasons unknown, I'm generating a lot of quadtree overlays with the exact same objects in them.
+23:48 < sulix> By which I mean the same {object_begin, object_end} pairs.
+23:49 < sulix> So lots of things are being rendered ~40 times, and many things aren't being rendered at all.
+23:51 < sulix> Actually, never mind, I'm just printing out the wrong thing in my debug statement.
+--- Day changed Tue Oct 21 2014
+00:48  * sulix has a lot of writing to do tommorrow.
+00:48 < sulix> By which I mean today.
+09:02  * sulix ->sainity--
+09:30 < Pommers> Morning
+11:07 < matches> :(
+11:11  * sulix has engaged "panic mode"
+11:12 < Pommers> Can you try and shake it off? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM
+11:12 < sulix> Also "holy shit, I don't have any results other than SIGSEGV" mode.
+11:20 < matches> I wish I hadn't read the comments on that video
+11:24 < matches> I'm having trouble understanding the metaphor
+11:24 < matches> Is Taylor Swift meant to be the thesis or me
+11:25 < matches> And how is the illuminati involved
+11:28 < Pommers> Never read YT comments
+11:28 < Pommers> Metaphor? Th[4~esis? Illuminati?
+11:34 < matches> "Haters gonna hate" would be me hating the thesis, but the thesis being an inanimate and currently purely digital object would be unable to shake itself
+11:35 < matches> According to the comments Taylor Swift is in the illuminati
+11:35 < sulix> The only shaking I can imagine is the solemn shaking of heads.
+11:35 < matches> :(
+11:35 < Pommers> Or
+11:36 < Pommers> Does your thesis hatre you, hence it's not happening
+11:36 < Pommers> and therefore you need to shake it off?
+11:36 < matches> Perhaps the clue is in the name, in that we need to Swiftly apply  Taylor series to things
+11:38 < sulix> matches: That is the only consistent interpretation.
+11:38 < matches> I regret catching up on 6 weeks of lectures instead of working on the thesis
+11:40 < matches> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/374.html
+11:40 < sulix> http://phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1749
+11:42 < matches> Back to it I guess
+11:42 < matches> By which I mean back to spending 30 minutes mentally preparing myself to go back to it
+11:43 < Pommers> While you relax
+11:43 < Pommers> You could fix NTP on your laptop
+11:46 < sulix> better still, set the time to three days ago so that you have more time to work on the thesis.
+11:47 < Pommers> Thats's a good idea! Just avoid anything that relies on time
+11:49 < sulix> The number of sudden thoughts about much better ways to do this project is slightly terrifying.
+12:44 < sulix>  /me suspects he's deleted more than he's written.
+13:02 < sulix> Someone's looked at quadtrees for "infinite bitmaps": http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/104609/infinite-bitmap
+13:44 < sulix> Knuth apparently does not like the term "mantissa". He has quite a rant about it and now I'm feeling guilty for using it.
+13:47 < matches> Let's face it, Knuth won't read our work, and if he does, he won't like it
+13:48 < sulix> I had a nightmare where Kahan was berating me for not understanding floats.
+13:49 < matches> You don't even need to write about floats? Do you?
+13:49 < matches> Also, should I be urgently producing graphs of how slow rationals are
+13:50 < matches> I have 6662 words, but this is really not good
+13:51 < sulix> I'm sort-of leaving the "results" section blank at the moment.
+13:51 < matches> Wait but what else do you need?
+13:51 < matches> Lit Review should be done*
+13:52 < matches> There is a "Methods" chapter which I'm a bit embarressed about
+13:52 < sulix> Also, I should push the "speed up everything because it was dodgy renderrange code that was taking >90% the time" fix at some point.
+13:52 < matches> How badly would pulling break everything...
+13:52 < sulix> I've been writing up how the quadtree works, and fixing up the lit review, intro, gpu float bits, etc.
+13:53 < sulix> Well, I don't think I've been brave enough to push yet, but probably it will break everything.
+13:53 < sulix> Though, with some small amount of luck, it should still compile.
+13:56  * sulix has pushed. Time to warm up your "git revert" commands.
+13:57 < sulix> Also I need to write up about how rationals can represent more things than the quadtree, which can only represent binary fractions.
+14:18 < matches> "A naive approach would be to simply replace all floating point operations with arbitrary precision operations, and this is in fact what we did before we realised how stupid that was"
+14:21 < sulix> I was going for "A naïve approach would be to simply replace all floating point operations with arbitrary precision operations, and unlike the quatreethulu, that does actually work."
+14:21 < matches> How do you get the ï in LaTeX
+14:22 < sulix> \"i
+14:22 < matches> Thankyou
+14:25 < matches> Is there a good reference I can cite for how shaders work...
+14:25 < matches> I really don't want to or have the space to explain the OpenGL API
+14:25 < sulix> The OpenGL spec?
+14:25 < matches> I guess
+14:25 < sulix> Or ARB_vertex_program / ARB_shader_program
+14:25 < sulix> s/shader_program/fragment_program
+14:47 < matches> You know I am linking to the git repository in my report
+14:47 < matches> The one with all the "My eyes, they burn!" commit messages...
+14:48 < matches> I figured that the markers assuming there wasn't version control was marginally worse than them reading my commit messages
+14:48 < matches> But only marginally
+14:49  * sulix wipes some nervous sweat from his brow.
+14:50 < Pommers> What did you do for commit messages?
+14:50 < matches> Usually stuff to the effect of "This code is awful"
+14:50 < matches> "I didn't even design this!"
+14:50 < matches> Etc
+14:51 < sulix> Pommers: cover your eyes: http://git.ucc.asn.au/?p=ipdf/code.git;a=shortlog
+14:52 < sulix> My favourite is "A Song of Floodfills and Segfaults"
+14:52 < Pommers> haha
+15:11 < sulix> matches: Any idea why "bezier.h:61:20: error: call of overloaded ‘Abs(Gmprat)’ is ambiguous"
+15:13 < sulix> Also: "rect.h:21:13: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ (operand types are ‘std::basic_ostream<char>’ and ‘const IPDF::Rational<IPDF::Arbint>’)" if I try Rational<T>
+15:37 < matches> Aaaah
+15:37 < matches> It wasn't ambiguous when I last used it!
+16:03  * sulix squirms nervously.
+16:06 < matches> I finally made the performance test graphs
+16:06 < matches> They are kind of dodgy
+16:07 < sulix> Ooh... show me.
+16:13 < matches> http://szmoore.net/ipdf/sam/figures/time.pdf
+16:13 < matches> http://szmoore.net/ipdf/sam/figures/memory.pdf
+16:13 < matches> It's using eye_of_the_rabbit.script
+16:14 < matches> It keeps track of how much memory is used for the View width
+16:14 < matches> And how long it takes to do each cycle that involves adding 3 rabbits seperated by 1e-3 or whatever it was
+16:14 < matches> A totally arbitrary test but hey, the graph is linear
+16:15 < matches> I'm pretty fed up with this project at this point
+16:15 < matches> Words are on the page
+16:16 < matches> It's amazing how much less you have to write when you remove the "TODO: I really should explain this properly"
+16:19 < sulix> Those are with the Gmprat for path bounds, doubles? for beziers?
+16:21 < matches> Gmprat for path bounds
+16:21 < matches> Not really much point doing it for anything else
+16:21 < matches> Since anything else won't render the images correctly
+16:21 < matches> I guess I should do it for doubles as well
+16:22 < matches> Actually doubles would be able to render that particular script correctly
+16:22 < matches> For a long time
+16:23 < sulix> The quadtree can render it correctly until there is more than one rabbit.
+16:23 < sulix> Also eye_of_the_rabbit is cpu rendered by default, no?
+16:24 < matches> Yeah I changed it to make that test
+16:24 < sulix> Okay.
+16:24 < matches> I'll run it for mpfr-1024 path
+16:24 < matches> I've had enough of having to tweak things to recompile the software...
+16:25 < matches> So I'm limited to the binaries I already have and they have a habit of sigfpe'ing
+16:26 < matches> Oh, it was also done with the window hidden
+16:26 < sulix> By choice or by fglrx?
+16:26 < matches> By choice
+16:31 < matches> Urgh this project is dumb
+16:31 < matches> I really don't want to have to repeat my final year project :S
+17:17 < matches> How do you like being referred to as "Gow"
+17:17 < matches> Also it's been an hour or so without me saying this project is silly
+17:17 < matches> So I'll say it again
+17:18 < matches> I ended up putting the Circles on CPU/GPU in my "Lit Review" part...
+17:18 < matches> Because it just fit a lot better underneath the section that was actually talking about it
+17:18 < matches> Rather than in the results
+17:19 < matches> "By the way we did some circles too"
+17:19 < matches> I feel like I should say something snarky about the naive method not being worthy of publication...
+17:19 < matches> That might be a bad idea
+17:29 < matches> "Hi all, No doubt you are busy preparing your final report..."
+17:29 < matches> AAAAAHHH
+17:30 < matches> I don't know, there's only so much you can polish a turd..
+17:30 < matches> Holy shit how do I have 40 references
+17:30 < matches> I guess there was that "Look I read about GPUs [10 references]" paragraph
+17:31 < matches> Should I mention the arbitrary precision on GPU stuff
+17:31 < matches> Blargh
+17:41 < matches> "The main body of the report should be between 6,000 and 8,000
+17:41 < matches> words excluding appendices. (i.e. from the beginning of the
+17:41 < matches> Introduction to the end of the Conclusions/Future work section)."
+17:41 < matches> Finally found the word limit
+17:41 < matches> Dammit
+17:41 < matches> Here I was aiming for 6000 maximum...
+17:44 < matches> I can stick in the pointless sections about "Pixels or Perish" I guess
+17:44 < matches> Distract them with pretty pictures
+17:47 < matches> Takes me up to 46 references...
+17:47 < matches> And 6972 words
+17:47 < matches> Done
+17:48 < matches> Submit
+18:21 < sulix> I think your thesis is significantly better than mine.
+18:22 < sulix> Mostly because it has more results and less "TODO"
+18:26  * sulix seeps into a 20 minute come.
+18:26 < sulix> s/come/coma
+18:26 < sulix> (The state of my brain is becoming more and more evident)
+18:55 < matches> (The trick is to delete the TODOs)
+--- Day changed Wed Oct 22 2014
+12:50 < matches> ECM sent me an email about 2015 Final Year Project preferences...
+12:50 < matches> NO
+12:50 < matches> I already did this!
+12:50 < matches> They also sent me an email about submitting vacation work reports
+12:50 < matches> I didn't do that yet!
+12:51 < matches> This is what you get for totally ignoring the recommended degree progression
+17:17 < Pommers> Guess who has card access through the main door for CS xD
+17:18  * sulix is filled with a jealous rage.
+17:20 < Pommers> hehehehe
+17:20 < Pommers> Pretty sure I now have more Access to CS than both of you :D
+17:54 < matches> They'll probably be glad they get to revoke our access at the end of the year
+17:54 < matches> Doing other assignments is a nice distraction from the project although in terms of time investment it is not wise
+17:54 < matches> In terms of time investment the correct approach is to fail everything else
+17:55 < matches> Although that didn't work so well last semester
+17:55 < matches> (I didn't actually fail but my marks got consistently lower :(
+17:55 < matches> I don't know how to bracket that
+17:55 < matches> :()
+--- Day changed Thu Oct 23 2014
+18:12 < matches> My report scores a Flesch Reading Ease of 42.30
+18:12 < matches> Which is higher than "university graduate" and lower than "13 to 15 year old students"
+18:13 < matches> It scores a Flesch-Kincaid Grade of 12.44
+18:13 < matches> I guess that means it is high school level...
+18:13 < matches> That isn't as reassuring as I'd hoped...
+18:14 < matches> At least I'm beating "an average 6th grade assignment"
+18:17 < matches> My physics thesis is 39.90 and 12.99 indicating my writing has gotten dumber, as expected
+18:19 < matches> Yours is at 46.06 and 11.39
+18:19 < matches> The question is, what should we be aiming for...
+18:21 < matches> That was an interesting but not particularly productive diversion into readability of documents
+18:21 < matches> (I think the most this test can conclusively say is that we did indeed write some words)
+18:21 < matches> (Many of which had more than one syllable)
+19:40  * sulix shall have words with "an arbitrary number of syllables" in his thesis.
+19:41 < sulix> Also, it turns out printperf has a big #ifdef QUADTREE_DISABLED around it.
+19:41 < sulix> Which explains much.
+19:59 < sulix> Did you know: when rendering with GMPrat, sometimes the debug text displays the bounds as being totally wrong for a frame, and then they're back to normal.
+20:00  * sulix has found something even more fun than watching paint dry: watching gmprat render.
+20:16  * sulix now has a graph: http://davidgow.net/stuff/ipdf-gmpqttest1.pdf
+20:54 < matches> Cool
+21:16 < matches> That looks very similar to the turtles graph I just got
+21:16 < matches> Except qtree isn't on it
+21:16 < matches> Path-gmprat is my favourite
+21:29 < matches> Ok, I know it's only 9:28 but my clock says 5:28
+21:29 < matches> So that counts as bed time
+21:30  * matches tries not to think about the asignment due tomorrow or the 3 weeks of assignments that need to be marked before students start to hate me
+21:30 < matches> Or, for that matter, how he is going to explain Quantum Mechanics...
+21:31 < matches> Or CoderDojo...
+21:31 < matches> I must be getting old
+21:31 < matches> Back in 2012 I could work on my thesis until 5am and still be awake enough to do my other assignments :S
+21:32 < matches> That might be a slight exagerration, I think there was a large amount of feeling like death involved
+21:36 < matches> I used to know the quantum number selection rules off by heart too...
+21:41 < matches> Ahh, the amazing HTML formatting of the quantum mechanics webpage
+21:41 < matches> The memories
+--- Day changed Sat Oct 25 2014
+11:26  * sulix will not be able to make coderdojo today, for obvious reasons.
+11:26 < matches> Ok, good luck
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+--- Log opened Sun Oct 26 14:54:49 2014
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+14:55 < matches> Very much in the "The referencing doesn't produce ?? submit it" phase
+14:57 < matches> Ah crap the referencing still produces ??
+14:57 < matches> But only in the appendix...
+15:50 < matches> I get to submit this to a "Printerface"
+15:50 < matches> Oh ho ho
+15:53  * sulix has had the joy of having to redo his data with vblank off.
+15:54 < sulix> Also, the random flickering bug is actually showing up in the graphs
+16:02 < matches> Yuk
+16:03 < matches> So you have loads of data now though?
+16:03 < matches> I had vague plans of redoing graphs and then apathy happened
+16:03 < sulix> Yeah, lots and lots of graphs and numbers.
+16:03 < matches> Cool
+16:04 < matches> I just have like, 3...
+16:04 < sulix> I extended the profiler to also output the number of objects in the document and rendered
+16:04 < sulix> (Well, I only have 3 interesting graphs)
+16:05 < sulix> The quadtree spens 23.7% of its time generating new nodes.
+16:05 < sulix> (In case you cared)
+16:05 < matches> Only 23.7%?
+16:05 < sulix> Yup.
+16:06 < sulix> It generates at total (during the zoom-in-on-grid test for 800 frames) of 219 nodes.
+16:06 < sulix> And clips a total of 6559 objects
+16:07 < matches> I'll email what I have.
+16:07 < matches> Prepare to be whelmed.
+16:07 < matches> Oh dear I just quoted *that* movie
+16:09 < sulix> I'll email mine when I've finished regenerating all of the graphs and stats with non-vblanked data.
+16:10 < sulix> (The quadtree is now officially 2127 times faster than naïve use of GMP rationals)
+16:12 < matches> I think naive use of GMP rationals is a slightly unfair benchmark... :P
+16:12 < matches> But it'll make for impressive graphs
+16:12 < sulix> The requested URL /sam/ipdf/thesis.pdf was not found on this server.
+16:13 < matches> /ipdf/sam/thesis.pdf
+16:13 < matches> Also attached it to the email
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+16:13 < sulix> Also, "Wintrhop Professor".
+16:13 < matches> Oh boy
+16:14 < matches> Wait where does it even say that...
+16:14 < matches> Oh
+16:14 < matches> The damn letter
+16:19 < matches> Yeah going by the rubric I think I'll have a solid 1/4 average
+17:05 < sulix> Again, the closer this project is to being due, the more interesting mathematical things I'm finding that I wish I'd seen earlier.
+17:06  * sulix slips a small reference to the Riemann Zeta function into a footnote.
+17:23 < matches> I'm concerned about the lack of interesting mathematical things in my thesis, footnote or otherwise
+17:24 < matches> I think I'm allowed to call it a thesis since that's what I was supposed to put on the "letter"
+17:25 < matches> You can't diss this ertation
+17:25 < matches> That worked in my head
+17:25 < matches> synonyms..
+17:25 < matches> monograph
+17:26 < matches> disquisition
+17:26 < matches> disquietening
+17:26 < matches> composition
+17:26 <@bobgeorge33> When does Tim officailly start work again?
+17:26 < matches> in the key of F# minor
+17:26 < matches> Um
+17:26 < matches> Next year?
+17:27 < matches> Someone has to write a "supervisor report"
+17:29 < matches> Well, I at least have lots of words
+17:29 < matches> Too many to proof read
+18:07 < matches> It has been submitted to the Printer Face
+18:07 < matches> Good luck sulix
+18:10  * sulix solemnly nods: "Good luck to us all!"
+23:34 < sulix> It is done: http://davidgow.net/stuff/DavidFYPThesis.pdf
+23:38 <@bobgeorge33> When are they due?
+23:42 <@bobgeorge33>  Lastly, as a double degree student I need to
+23:42 <@bobgeorge33> express a double degree of thanks to my friends and family for their continued patience whilst I
+23:42 <@bobgeorge33> completed my second “final year” project in what is technically a penultimate year.
+23:42 <@bobgeorge33> Very nice
+--- Day changed Mon Oct 27 2014
+08:46 < matches> They're due at 12:00pm
+09:00 < matches> Hmm, there are only a few highly wrong statements in my thesis
+09:01 < matches> To resubmit or not to resubmit
+09:03 < matches> I keep thinking I really need more detail and then I realise it's 9000 words...
+09:03 < matches> What did I even say in those 9000 words I don't even
+09:04 < matches> In other news it's 9:04 and no one is at my tutorial...
+09:05 < matches> I was going to show them CQM animations
+09:09 < matches> Curses a student
+09:09 < matches> (I don't know what I want)
+10:15  * sulix resubmits to fix the typo in the latin reference that Tim disconvered.
+10:16 < sulix> I've also added the original proposal as an Appendix because apparently I'm meant to, though it does sort-of highlight how little of it I've actually done.
+10:19  * sulix proceeds to collapse from exhaustion.
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+11:12 < matches> Aaaand
+11:12 < matches> LMS is being LMS
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+11:13 < matches> UWA is having problems?
+11:13 < matches> Trying to resubmit to Printer Face
+11:13 < matches> Not sure if I am now going to end up with two copies...
+11:14 < matches> The second copy is slightly less vague
+11:14 < matches> I guess people can work out that they need to read IEEE to get the full gory details of the encodings and stuff
+11:15 < matches> Also people can probably work out the legends on my graphs if they think
+11:15 < matches> Also there is like, wierd functional programming notation in Tim and Rowan's emails
+11:15 < matches> Is it a secret code?
+11:23 < matches> AAAH SHIT
+11:23 < matches> My last commit is going to be at 7:23pm
+11:23 < matches> I'll get in trouble for using a time machine to submit it before 12:00pm
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+11:42 < matches> Well, that as anticlimactic
+11:43 < matches> The whole having 3 other assignments due this week thing sort of ruins it
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+11:53 < matches> I actually really don't trust someone else to print my assignment :S
+11:53 < matches> Who is this Printer and why does it have a Face
+11:54 < matches> What if the inline postscript gets interpreted by the driver as actual postscript and it just prints 40 pages of shape.eps
+11:54 < matches> Aaaah
+11:56 <@bobgeorge33> What happens if it decides to print 100 copies instead of 1 and they aren't collated!
+11:59  * matches stabs
+12:01 < matches> sulix: "Programmme"
+12:01 < matches> Does it have three mmm like that
+12:01 < sulix> Um... it does now.
+12:02 < matches> I approve
+12:02 < sulix> I am a programmmmmmer
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+--- Day changed Thu Oct 30 2014
+13:45 < matches> sulix: Is there going to be a meeting about your presentation? Should I come, or stay away?
+14:16 < sulix> I don't think there's going to be a meeting... I've got another research project due at 4:00, so I'll be doing that.
+14:16 < sulix> The seminar schedule is out now, though: http://undergraduate.csse.uwa.edu.au/year4/Current/Project/seminarTimetable.html
+14:17 < sulix> It's hysterically empty.
+14:28 < matches> Baha
+14:29 < matches> 25 minutes, ew
+14:29 < matches> Good luck
+14:29 < sulix> You're welcome to come along to the talk if you hate sleep.
+14:29 < matches> I will try and come
+14:30 < matches> "Time travel debugging"...
+14:30 < sulix> Yeah, Ben's a genius.
+14:30 < matches> I do that all the time though
+14:30 < matches> (With printf statements)
+14:30 < sulix> But you live in the future.
+14:30 < matches> (And scrolling through the output with less)
+14:30 < matches> That too
+14:31 < matches> Don't worry, your abstract sounds really cool too