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+19:11 < jtanx> lol
+19:11 < jtanx> the camera that we were using for the soldering lab inserted a bunch of wavy lines/static into the video
+19:12 < sam_moore> It's an effect
+19:14 < jtanx> nah
+19:14 < jtanx> the camera was actually broken
+19:15 < sam_moore> (I figured that)
+19:15 < sam_moore> You could pretend it's supposed to be an 80s style video?
+19:15 < jtanx> yeah that could work
+19:16 < jtanx> have you done it yet?
+19:18 < sam_moore> No :S
+19:20 < jtanx> well
+19:21 < jtanx> according to the manual, you need to connect a wire from R5 on the sensor board to the relay board
+19:21 < jtanx> problem was we already chopped off the lead on R5
+19:22 < jtanx> another group connected the wire to the LEd though
+19:22 < jtanx> seemed to work
+20:02 < jtanx> so are we using clock_gettime?
+20:08 < sam_moore> I think so, we can use CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW if we are paranoid about the system time getting changed
+20:08 < sam_moore> Or we can just use CLOCK_REALTIME if we aren't
+20:09 < jtanx> I thought CLOCK_MONOTONIC was supposed to be best, because the RAW version wasn't compensated for temp/other stuff
+20:10 < jtanx> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3523442/difference-between-clock-realtime-and-clock-monotonic
+20:10 < jtanx> about the FCGI loop blocking
+20:10 < jtanx> you can switch to FCGX_ methods
+20:10 < jtanx> I think
+20:11 < jtanx> but is it really necessary
+20:20 < jtanx> about the valgrind comment in sensors.c
+20:20 < jtanx> this is probably it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5844242/valgrind-yells-about-an-uninitialised-bytes
+20:23 < sam_moore> It's probably not necessary to stop the FCGI loop blocking, don't worry about it
+20:25 < sam_moore> Yeah, I didn't initialise the buffers anywhere
+20:25 < jtanx> actually I can't reproduce that message
+20:25 < sam_moore> Hmm
+20:26 < jtanx> about the sensor times
+20:27 < jtanx> what about if you all reference it relative to some point
+20:27 < jtanx> eg
+20:27 < sam_moore> The epoch :P
+20:27 < jtanx> lol
+20:27 < jtanx> I mean
+20:28 < jtanx> when you get sensor data, you store the difference in time between the start of recording and now
+20:28 < sam_moore> Sure, that makes more sense
+20:29 < sam_moore> Just give the client the start of recording time and they can convert it to a time of day / day in the calendar themselves
+20:30 < jtanx> yeah
+20:30 < jtanx> you could have a specific request to return the starting time
+20:30 < jtanx> then it's implicit for all requests
+20:30 < jtanx> btw I submitted a pull request for the nginx configs
+20:32 < sam_moore> Ok
+20:32 < sam_moore> I've added you to collaborators so you can merge them yourself if you need to
+20:33 < jtanx> ok
+20:35 < jtanx> huh
+20:35 < jtanx> http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/09/26/beagleboard-emulator-in-ubuntu-with-qemu/
+20:41 < sam_moore> Nice
+20:42 < sam_moore> "Currently you can not access Ethernet" Not so nice
+20:42 < sam_moore> Although this is dated 2011
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+16:31 < jtanx> huh
+16:31 < jtanx> firefox's javascript debugger is pretty cool
+16:31 < sam_moore> Firebug? Yeah
+16:35 < jtanx> nah the inbuilt one
+16:35 < jtanx> firebug's good for inspecting html though
+16:35 < jtanx> haven't used firebugs js debugger yet
+16:35 < sam_moore> Oh, I didn't know they had an inbuilt one
+16:36 < jtanx> Ctrl+Shift+K
+16:36 < sam_moore> Of course I normally use Iceweasel, which is currently built as firefox 10.0.2 with a different name
+16:36 < jtanx> well that's about 10 releases behind
+16:36 < sam_moore> That looks pretty similar to firebug anyway
+16:55 < jtanx> inline conditionals in javascript are whack
+16:55 < sam_moore> I haven't done much javascript, but a lot of it does seem whack
+16:56 < sam_moore> jtanx: What are you working on in JavaScript?
+16:56 < jtanx> unit tests
+16:57 < sam_moore> Cool
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+17:18 < jtanx> javascript in general is annoying me though
+17:25 < Callum> when exactly is this soldering lab due? fucking thing.
+17:27 < jtanx> next friday
+17:27 < Callum> it says week 5 on lms
+17:27 < jtanx> sept 6
+17:27 < Callum> where's it say this?
+17:27 < jtanx> yeah he made an announcement
+17:27 < jtanx> that it's wrong
+17:27 < jtanx> somewhere
+17:28 < Callum> sigh. this unit..i swear
+17:28 < Callum> if it really is next week then i'd be so relieved
+17:28 < Callum> wow
+17:28 < Callum> he made an announcement today..
+17:28 < Callum> wait yesterday
+17:29 < jtanx> still got that central plant fbd to do
+17:29 < Callum> why hasnt LMS emailed me a notification? (/end spam)
+17:29 < Callum> yea i know
+17:29 < Callum> which i think i have it pretty much done
+17:29 < Callum> not 100% sure on it though
+17:29 < Callum> and whether to add pumps and shit into it
+17:29 < jtanx> what did you have on it?
+17:30 < Callum> HA as i say that i check my phone and i have the message about the announcement
+17:30 < jtanx> and what did you call the chiller things?
+17:30 < Callum> pretty much just the 4 chillers, a line showing it can go back (they're literally called chillers ahha(
+17:31 < Callum> then i had another part to show the chillers (evaporation/condensor/compressor and cooling tower is connected to condenser)
+17:31 < jtanx> ook
+17:31 < Callum> however
+17:32 < Callum> im not sure about the input/output of the chiller
+17:32 < Callum> because stuff online shows it to be the evaporator
+17:32 < Callum> but isnt it water being pumped?
+17:32 < jtanx> I think there were pumps on the output
+17:33 < jtanx> were there three outputs?
+17:33 < Callum> also not sure if i should/wherte to add the tank (yea ofc theres pumps but not sure to put them in to the diagram, pretty much everything is pumped)
+17:33 < Callum> outputs where?
+17:33 < jtanx> North/Sout/East distribution things
+17:33 < jtanx> iirc
+17:33 < jtanx> yeah not sure whether to add tank or not
+17:34 < Callum> oh that, i didnt bother with that
+17:34 < Callum> just how did the chiller connect with the rest of the plant?
+17:34 < Callum> was the evaporator the input/output?
+17:34 < Callum> because the chiller feeds out to the water tower and the tower feeds back into the chiller (i think)
+17:36 < Callum> also what was the thing called? that allowed water to flow back and forth bypassing the chillers. back something?
+17:36 < Callum> really they should have told us before we went in we had to do this. some lazy fucks like me dont read the outline so i didnt take notes..or try to commit stuff to memory :po
+17:39 < jtanx> the bypass?
+17:39 < jtanx> I haven't gone into detail
+17:39 < jtanx> so I just have chiller
+17:39 < jtanx> and cooling tower
+17:39 < jtanx> maybe I should
+17:40 < Callum> remember how tehre was 4 chillers, and they would only run what was needed.
+17:40 < jtanx> yeah
+17:40 < jtanx> how many cooling towers?
+17:40 < Callum> and if they had more than they needed there was a pipe to flow back, or if they had some chilled water from the tanks or w.e it bypassed chillers
+17:40 < Callum> i dont know, but im not sure how to show it all
+17:40 < Callum> im sure what iv got is somewhat decent
+17:41 < jtanx> I used visio and I ended up spending so much time trying to get the lines rihgt
+17:41 < jtanx> probably would have been faster to hand draw it
+17:41 < jtanx> still not finished too
+17:41 < Callum> haha im fiarly sure i read somewhere it was hand drawn :p
+17:41 < jtanx> meh I suck at drawing
+17:42 < Callum> maybe not. "This is to be drawn and annotated on single A4 page"
+17:42 < Callum> i dont think they'll be picky
+17:42 < jtanx> and there's lines everywhere
+17:42 < Callum> really? how do you have lines everywhere?
+17:42 < jtanx> ok so chiller
+17:42 < Callum> it's a fairly simple system. unless i'v done it wrong :s
+17:43 < jtanx> has warm chilled water (1), chilled coolant (2), hot coolant (3), chilled chilled water(4), control line (5), (maybe) sensor back to controller (6)
+17:43 < jtanx> that's ~5 lines in/out of one box?
+17:44 < Callum> hmm. havent included coolant or control/sensor
+17:44 < Callum> maybe i should :S
+17:44 < jtanx> and an operator
+17:44 < jtanx> to the controller
+17:45 < Callum> thing is it asked for a high level FBD though
+17:45 < Callum> which means not very detailed
+17:45 < Callum> or maybe it didnt?
+17:45 < jtanx> yeah, so do you need to show condensor/evaporator
+17:45 < jtanx> I just have a chiller box
+17:46 < jtanx> anyway... afk ~10 mins
+17:46 < Callum> the condensor/evaporater is part of the chiller isnt it?
+17:46 < Callum> ok
+18:10 < Callum> anyone finished reading chapter 4 of the notes?
+18:11 < jtanx> what's that
+18:11 < Callum> sensors
+18:12 < Callum> so dull :l
+18:12 < Callum> and pretty much no chance to remember enough of it. quiz tomorrow is going to be fun..
+18:12 < jtanx> oh
+18:13 < jtanx> shit
+18:13 < jtanx> have to study for that
+18:13 < Callum> rofl
+18:14 < jtanx> :/
+18:15 < Callum> gonna just have to wing most of them again like last time most likely.
+18:15 < jtanx> probably
+18:15 < jtanx> Well, the unit testing thing works http://mctx.us.to:8080/unit-tests/
+18:15 < jtanx> now what unit tests should there be
+18:18 < Callum> not sure.
+18:25 < Callum> brilliant! the notes show a false colour image built from a black and white image...while printed in black and white.
+18:34 < jtanx> :P
+19:50 < jtanx> um
+19:50 < jtanx> did we get around to doing the sparkplus thing
+19:54 < jtanx> we need to do it before the end of the week
+19:54 < Callum> umm.
+19:54 < Callum> actually justin already set up the group
+19:54 < Callum> so you need to hurry up and join before we have to recreate the group :P
+19:54 < jtanx> nah it expired
+19:54 < Callum> wait already?
+19:54 < Callum> zzz
+19:55 < jtanx> 5 hr deadline
+19:55 < Callum> and adrian said it was 24Hr, whats with this 5 hour shit
+19:55 < jtanx> so... we need to try again
+19:55 < jtanx> when everyone's available
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+09:16 < jtanx> firefox blocks ajax calls if you try to run the file locally :/
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+14:25 < james__> Hey Jeremy. Is there a way to find my login hash key if i am already logged into the api?
+14:28 < jtanx> um
+14:28 < jtanx> right now you should store it
+14:29 < jtanx> just declare a global variable and set it to the hash
+14:30 < jtanx> or if you have made a class
+14:30 < jtanx> just make it an element
+14:31 < james__> I'm still logged in from ages ago and i can't logout so i can get a different key that works
+14:31 < jtanx> that
+14:31 < jtanx> ok
+14:31 < james__> Possibly a bug that needs fixing?
+14:31 < jtanx> so the way it works right now is there's a 3 minute timeout on the key
+14:31 < jtanx> no
+14:31 < jtanx> there's actually two layers
+14:32 < jtanx> the password that you enter first (mctxadmin) is what's called HTTP basic authentication
+14:32 < jtanx> this lets you gain access to /api/login
+14:32 < james__> Well i tried loging in again and its saying i am already logged in
+14:32 < jtanx> when you reach /api/login you get the access key
+14:32 < jtanx> there's a three minute timeout on the key
+14:32 < jtanx> if you wish to invalidate the key
+14:33 < jtanx> you call
+14:33 < jtanx> /api/login?end
+14:34 < jtanx> you can force getting a key by also calling /api/login?force
+14:34 < james__> right. well it worked this time
+14:34 < james__> Thats weird
+14:34 < jtanx> so the only thing that the key prevents is stopping accidental concurrent use
+14:34 < james__> Fair enough
+14:35 < jtanx> Calling /api/login?force will force a new key to be generated and the old one to be invalidated
+14:35 < james__> Okay
+14:35 < jtanx> btw as I was working on unit testing
+14:35 < jtanx> I did a function to retrieve the json data
+14:36 < jtanx> http://mctx.us.to:8080/unit-tests/unit-tests.js
+14:37 < james__> I will have a look. I have some buttons working and stuff. Working on putting them in a seperate script file for easier editing etc
+14:37 < james__> They don't seem to be playing nice at the moment
+14:37 < jtanx> ok
+14:38 < jtanx> how come it takes so much effort to get some buttons working
+14:39 < james__> Getting the css to mesh with the js
+14:40 < james__> I have buttons fine
+14:40 < james__> And they work
+14:40 < jtanx> maybe you should get the functionality to work first
+14:40 < jtanx> with the ajax queries
+14:40 < jtanx> before worrying about styling them
+14:40 < james__> I have the functionality pretty much working
+14:41 < jtanx> so the querying works?
+14:41 < james__> But i want the styling to work before we scale it up
+14:41 < james__> That way its less hassle to fix it later
+14:41 < jtanx> could you post it to git?
+14:41 < jtanx> it'd be cool to have a look
+14:45 < james__> The way i am thinking about having it set out is having a central index.html which just imports all the js. The js will contain all the functionlity seperated in to similar functions. Ie. all the buttons in one script
+14:46 < jtanx> right
+14:46 < james__> That should allow for ease of scaling and editing
+14:46 < james__> Also changing id's and stuff
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+17:06 < jtanx> say you want to perform a command
+17:06 < jtanx> eg move an actuator
+17:07 < jtanx> and suppose checks have to be made against other sensors to ensure that this command is good to go
+17:07 < jtanx> how are those checks going to be made?
+18:10 < sam_moore> The Actuator Handler will call some sanity check against the most recent sensor data
+18:11 < sam_moore> If they aren't, it will respond with some appropriate JSON or HTTP status code
+18:11 < sam_moore> eg: "Try again later when the pressure is in the right range", or "Don't do that you silly person"
+18:15 < jtanx> ._.
+18:21 < jtanx> I wonder if there's a way to pull from your git repository without creating the 'merge branch master from...' commits
+18:22 < sam_moore> I don't think so
+18:22 < jtanx> I tried playing with rebasing but it doesn't work out so well
+18:40 < jtanx> ok so I've committed some stuff to my repository that changes the handling of controls/actuators/login
+18:41 < jtanx> I'm not sure if it's the best way to do it
+18:41 < jtanx> though
+18:41 < jtanx> What I did was get rid of /api/login
+18:41 < jtanx> and instead have /api/control
+18:41 < jtanx> All of the control code (eg actuators but may be other controls? Start/stop the whole thing?) has been moved to controls.c
+18:42 < jtanx> You still need to supply username and password to access /api/control
+18:42 < jtanx> and what was previously called the 'authorization key' is now the control key (ie who has control)
+19:00 < sam_moore> Ok, I'll take a look at it later
+19:01 < sam_moore> Don't worry about the merge messages, it's not a big deal
+19:06 < jtanx> ok thanks
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+14:17 < jtanx> it'd have been cool to have written then server in python
+14:19 < Callum> gah havent done much for this project this week. not sure what i should do either
+14:19 < jtanx> hmm
+14:19 < Callum> so far behind in one of my units too. haha joys of uni
+14:19 < jtanx> lol
+14:20 < jtanx> werent we meant to get the camera stuff working or something
+14:21 < Callum> well yea but thats more rosher getting stuff working on his end. still not really sure what's going on. need to find an efficient way to transfer data (which would be directly streaming but it seemed adrian wanted some sort of processing)
+14:21 < Callum> guess i could start working on edge detection
+14:21 < jtanx> james hasn't got much done afaik
+14:21 < Callum> nah dont think he ahs
+14:22 < jtanx> but man I was looking at the javascript stuff
+14:22 < jtanx> and it's really annoying
+14:22 < jtanx> everything in javascript is asynchronous
+14:22 < jtanx> so you have a callback for an AJAX query, and it gets executed some time in the future
+14:23 < jtanx> it's really hard to pass variables to the callback and then also retrieve them
+14:23 < Callum> hmm
+14:23 < jtanx> i'm probably not doing it in the right fashion or something
+14:28 < Callum> not sure. don't really understand this stuff myself. havent done much/any
+14:45 < jtanx> flask is so cool
+15:01 < jtanx> oh
+15:02 < jtanx> maybe we can use cookies to store authorization
+15:02 < jtanx> instead of in javascript
+15:02 < jtanx> hmm
+15:02 < jtanx> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15722795/how-to-create-a-cookie-with-fastcgi-nginx-in-c
+15:57 < sam_moore> Maybe a cookie is better, but couldn't you have a global variable that the JavaScript code sets in the callback?
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+15:59 < sam_moore> Ok, I'll do the simulated "digital" sensor and actuator
+15:59 < sam_moore> We should make some kind of minimal gui in JavaScript
+16:00 < sam_moore> I'm not sure what James has done, but there's nothing under git
+16:02 < sam_moore> http://www.flotcharts.org/flot/examples/ajax/index.html is a good starting point for updating sensor graphs
+16:03 < sam_moore> jtanx: I wouldn't worry about the login/authentication too much for this week
+16:04 < jtanx> james said he got the buttons working but that's about it
+16:04 < jtanx> he's more concerned about issues with styling them than getting a fully fledged gui
+16:04 < sam_moore> I think actually having a gui is more important than having a pretty gui
+16:04 < sam_moore> At the moment anyway
+16:05 < jtanx> yeah
+16:05 < jtanx> it would be great to have *something*
+16:05 < jtanx> the problem with js
+16:05 < jtanx> is from what i've seen, the callback occurs in the jQuery file
+16:06 < jtanx> so you can't set global variables in say sensors.js
+16:06 < jtanx> and expect to be able to read/set them in the callback
+16:06 < sam_moore> Hmm, that's wierd
+16:06 < jtanx> what really shits me about javascript is variable handling
+16:06 < sam_moore> Hang on, let me have another look at the only project I ever used jQuery for... :P
+16:07 < jtanx> you can pass one/none/more than specified parameters
+16:07 < sam_moore> It was a chess game, so it should definietly be possible to modify variables in the callback function
+16:07 < jtanx> yeah there's probably a way, I just don't know it
+16:08 < jtanx> about the actuators
+16:08 < jtanx> I've already got something working in my repository
+16:08 < jtanx> but I don't really like how I've done it
+16:30 < sam_moore> I'm making a minimal gui (it will be able to plot something, and have a button); we can either ditch it or improve on it later
+16:31 < jtanx> sounds good
+16:35 < sam_moore> Callum: If you want to make a (really awful but possibly looking good enough at this stage for Adrian) "streaming" images thing
+16:35 < sam_moore> You can have your program continuously save to a file
+16:35 < sam_moore> And a html page that just has "<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0">" in the header
+16:35 < sam_moore> With a link to the image
+16:36 < Callum> alright il look into it
+16:36 < sam_moore> It's absolutely aweful, but it will give the effect of a really laggy video
+16:36 < jtanx> nice :P
+16:36 < sam_moore> You can improve it (if you get time) by having 2 images instead of one, with a symbolic link to swap between them
+16:38 < sam_moore> I'll bring the raspberry pi with the webcam tomorrow and we'll put everything on it to show Adrian
+16:38 < jtanx> hehehe
+16:38 < jtanx> can you install ffserver on the raspi?
+16:39 < sam_moore> Probably
+16:40 < jtanx> actually
+16:41 < jtanx> does our code run on the raspi?
+16:50 < sam_moore> Yes, at the moment
+16:54 < Callum> how are we integrating my code into it?
+17:01 < sam_moore> Keep it as a seperate process for now
+17:01 < Callum> alright
+17:01 < sam_moore> I'll modify the "run.sh" script to start both of them
+17:01 < sam_moore> Sigh javascript
+17:01 < sam_moore> So useful and yet so horrible
+17:02 < sam_moore> Still, I think if we can get our heads around it it is actually a nice way to do this
+17:09 < jtanx> the camera thing or the api or both?
+17:24 < sam_moore> The API
+17:24 < Callum> ok so how do i link to the image? (
+17:24 < sam_moore> Just put a html file in the /server directory for now
+17:25 < sam_moore> With <img src="path_to_image"> in the body somewhere
+17:29 < Callum> where are we going to put the images?
+17:31 < sam_moore> /server/images (?)
+17:31 < sam_moore> Wherever it seems logical I guess
+17:33 < sam_moore> If either of you are available earlier on Monday, I'm free for pretty much the whole day
+17:33 < sam_moore> Do you want to meet earlier and actually do coding as a group?
+17:37 < sam_moore> Dammit why does javascript remove the [] brackets when printing string representations of arrays
+17:37 < sam_moore> How are you supposed to tell what dimensions the array has...
+17:37 < jtanx> if you want sample code of how I printed the array of sensor values
+17:37 < jtanx> see the unit tests
+17:37 < sam_moore> Ok, thanks
+17:37 < jtanx> for (var i = 0; i < data.data.length; i++) {
+17:37 < jtanx> result += data.data[i][0] + ":" + data.data[i][1] + ", ";
+17:37 < jtanx> }
+17:56 < Callum> ok well iv done trhat, i think. you should probably check it to make sure its right
+17:58 < Callum> sent pull request. and i'v got food so brb
+17:58 < sam_moore> Ok, thanks
+17:59 < sam_moore> jtanx: You're right, altering variables on a successful ajax call is a pain in the ass
+17:59 < jtanx> hehe
+17:59 < sam_moore> ... You can modify html attributes really easily though
+17:59 < jtanx> true
+17:59 < jtanx> that's what I was thinking
+17:59 < sam_moore> Must resist urge to store data in a comment
+17:59 < jtanx> have a hidden input field?
+18:01 < jtanx> I must say that the firebug debugger and inbuilt web console were both quite useful
+18:02 < sam_moore> Yes, I've got firebug running
+18:04 < jtanx> I was looking at flask and it was ridiculously easy to set up a similar API in python
+18:05 < sam_moore> Do you want to change to python then?
+18:06 < sam_moore> Don't we still have to do the javascript though?
+18:07 < sam_moore> The API we have at the moment isn't that terrible
+18:07 < jtanx> nah
+18:07 < jtanx> it's probably best to stick with what we have
+18:07 < jtanx> the javascript stuff would remain the same yeah
+18:09 < sam_moore> Ok
+18:26 < sam_moore> Right... you can update global variables on a successful AJAX request
+18:27 < sam_moore> If you put "var" in front of the variable in the global scope then the AJAX callback will just make a new local variable and modify that -_-
+18:27 < sam_moore> But if you Don't put the "var" there, it will work
+18:40 < jtanx> lol
+18:41 < jtanx> but using global variables in javascript can get.... messy
+18:41 < sam_moore> Mmm
+18:42 < sam_moore> But doing pretty much *anything* in javascript is messy
+18:42 < jtanx> yeah
+18:42 < jtanx> true that
+18:43 < sam_moore> I wonder...
+18:43 < sam_moore> Should we just have one html page for each sensor/actuator
+18:43 < sam_moore> And then the user can open multiple tabs?
+18:45 < sam_moore> That's probably not very nice though
+18:46 < sam_moore> I think we should return data about multiple sensors at a time
+18:51 < jtanx> you'd probably want it all on one page
+18:51 < sam_moore> Yeah
+18:51 < jtanx> how many sensors are we talking about again
+18:51 < sam_moore> 6 or 7 I think, + a camera
+18:51 < jtanx> oh yeah
+18:51 < sam_moore> Oh well, we can redesign it later
+18:51 < jtanx> I guess we can design for max 7
+18:52 < sam_moore> But it might be a good idea to query multiple sensors in one ajax request
+18:53 < jtanx> yep
+18:53 < jtanx> supply more than one id in a go?
+18:53 < jtanx> could have an array (max size 7) that holds all the sensors you want to get data for
+18:53 < jtanx> i guess
+18:55 < sam_moore> It's probably more flexible to just add a "getall" key to the sensor module
+18:57 < jtanx> oh yeah
+18:57 < jtanx> I'm free until 12 tomorrow
+18:57 < jtanx> do you want to work together before that?
+18:58 < sam_moore> Sure
+18:59 < sam_moore> Try G19 again, but if that doesn't work we can go to the physics lab, or the computer science labs
+19:01 < jtanx> yeah ok
+19:02 < jtanx> what time do you want to start?
+19:04 < sam_moore> I'll probably get in around 9 or 10, depending on how much sleep I get
+19:04 < sam_moore> Let's say 10:00
+19:05 < sam_moore> Got to go, I'll be back later
+19:05 < jtanx> ok
+21:35 < sam_moore> I'm just going to use the same Sensor stuff for digital sensors
+21:36 < sam_moore> Adding a second type of sensor seems needlessly complicated
+21:36 < sam_moore> 1 = on and 0 = off
+21:37 < sam_moore> Probably do the same for actuators (just have some sanity checks on the values you can set, both at the client and the server)
+21:38 < jtanx> usually I'd just say 0 is off and not 0 is on
+21:38 < sam_moore> Haha, fair enough
+21:39 < jtanx> I kinda hate over-checking stuff :P
+21:39 < sam_moore> The actual GetData function has to return something reasonably sane though
+21:39 < sam_moore> It's easy to just make it only return 0 or 1
+21:39 < jtanx> oh I was more talking about setting the value of the actuator
+21:39 < sam_moore> Right
+21:40 < sam_moore> We should probably check for 0 or 1 anyway
+21:40 < sam_moore> In case the user does something dumb
+21:40 < jtanx> well
+21:40 < sam_moore> Like think they are setting an analog sensor and put in like "200"
+21:40 < jtanx> it should be the js code that's setting it
+21:41 < jtanx> so if you write the code properly it shoul be ok
+21:41 < sam_moore> "should be OK"...
+21:41 < jtanx> you shouldn't access the api directly
+21:41 < sam_moore> Alright, we'll see, but it's like, 1/2 a line of code to check :P
+21:41 < sam_moore> Redundancy and all that
+21:41 < jtanx> but even if they entered 200
+21:41 < jtanx> well so what
+21:41 < sam_moore> Yeah, but people *can* access the API directly
+21:41 < jtanx> it'd just represet 1
+21:42 < jtanx> represent
+21:42 < jtanx> *
+21:42 < sam_moore> How does the server know the difference between someone typing the URL and an AJAX request to the URL?
+21:42 < jtanx> yeah
+21:42 < sam_moore> Someone could go view source, "How can I break this... ah, what happens if I pass stupid values directly to the API"
+21:42 < jtanx> well if you define that 0 is off and not zero is on
+21:43 < jtanx> then it meets specs :P
+21:43 < sam_moore> Ok, I suppose it doesn't really matter
+21:44 < sam_moore> I respectfully disagree with the idea of having too many checks :P
+21:44 < sam_moore> Unless we went "while (true) DoCheck();" or something like that
+21:44 < sam_moore> That would be dumb
+21:44 < jtanx> hahaha
+21:45 < jtanx> but sometimes it gets really messy to maintain when you have that many checks
+21:45 < jtanx> and then when you want to modify something it's a real pain
+21:45 < jtanx> and really easy to break
+21:45 < sam_moore> True, but a bounds check isn't that bad
+21:46 < jtanx> yrue
+21:46 < sam_moore> I mean, you have to convert the value that isn't zero to an "on" anyway, which requires a check
+21:46 < jtanx> not really
+21:46 < sam_moore> Depends on the actuator
+21:46 < jtanx> you check if !value
+21:47 < sam_moore> Alright
+21:58 < jtanx> do you think there should be a stop/start method?
+21:58 < jtanx> eg start the experiment
+21:58 < jtanx> stop the experiment
+22:28 < sam_moore> Yes, probably
+22:28 < sam_moore> The stuff I wrote for Thread Exit conditions may actually help there...
+22:29 < sam_moore> Remove the bit where the FCGI loop exits though
+22:29 < jtanx> yeah
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+08:33 < sam_moore> Hi
+08:33 < sam_moore> I managed to get a reasonable sensor plotting GUI done
+08:35 < sam_moore> So, adrian wanted: 1) A digital sensor simulation (done) 2) Sensors plotted in GUI (done) 3) A test actuator in the GUI 4) Camera images in the GUI (sort of done, kind of)
+08:35 < sam_moore> Was there anything else?
+08:38 < sam_moore> I have to go to Uni, I'll be in G19 otherwise I'll send an email
+08:38 < sam_moore> See you
+08:42 < jtanx> ok then
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+13:15 < jtanx> hey
+13:18 < james__> hey
+13:18 < james__> I have the AJAX call working i am pretty sure
+13:19 < jtanx> ok
+13:19 < james__> Do you know if we have the beaglebones in yet?
+13:19 < jtanx> I don't know
+13:19 < jtanx> it should be ready soon though
+13:19 < jtanx> anyway, sam got a gui with graphs semi working
+13:20 < jtanx> could you update your git repository with what you've done?
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+13:31 < jtanx> :(
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+18:51 < jtanx> hm, so to get clock_gettime to work, you need to use std=gnu99 instead of std=c99
+18:52 < jtanx> do you think we should just stick with gettimeofday?
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+16:05 < jtanx> I was just thinking, what sort of identification information is needed from the server?
+16:05 < jtanx> The gui should have some understanding of what sort of sensors/actuators it needs to display
+16:10 < jtanx> it might be enough to say this is API version x
+16:10 < jtanx> and at version x, it's agreed that these id values correspond to these sensors/actuators etc?
+16:19 < jtanx> anyway, what I've done for now is if asked, the api will list the sensor/actuator ids and the corresponding human readable string
+16:19 < jtanx> api/?sensors&actuators
+18:06 < jtanx> also, what do you think of keeping track of the number of points stored
+18:07 < jtanx> then you can allow the user to request from where they want to retrieve data from and how many to retrieve
+18:08 < jtanx> the only problem is that it wouldn't be time based, but based on the number of data points recorded
+18:08 < jtanx> this method is simpler because you now the offset to use with fseek
+18:08 < jtanx> if it's time based you have to search the data for the correct point
+19:51 < sam_moore> All the above makes good sense
+19:52 < sam_moore> If we can make a working "request X number of points" first instead of "request from time T onwards", we might be able to convert the latter to the former if necessary
+20:04 < jtanx> ok I just submitted a pull request for some stuff
+20:04 < jtanx> mostly the identification stuff and some reordering
+20:04 < jtanx> FCGI_RejectJSON now requires that you give a description explaining why
+20:05 < jtanx> when RejectJSOn is called, it's always logged along with the description, so some of the current log messages within the handler functions may be redundant
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+18:29 < jtanx> hmm
+18:29 < jtanx> what if you had two file pointers to the same file
+18:29 < jtanx> one read only, one write only
+18:29 < jtanx> then if you also kept track of how many points were written to the file
+18:29 < jtanx> you don't need to have mutexes anymore
+18:30 < jtanx> as long as you write the read/write calls carefully
+18:44 < jtanx> ahp, may have spoken too soon
+18:44 < jtanx> you'd still need a mutex around the read/write from/to the counter
+18:45 < jtanx> I think...
+19:07 < jtanx> but it might still be a good idea
+21:38 < jtanx> I went the simple route
+21:53 < jtanx> what I've got: /api/sensors?id=x&from=y&count=z
+21:54 < jtanx> In dump mode:
+21:54 < jtanx> If from < 0, then return from start, else from the given index (0-indexed)
+21:54 < jtanx> if count < 0, then return all points, else return /at most/ that many points
+21:55 < jtanx> in normal mode:
+21:55 < jtanx> if from < 0, then return from the end (return the most recent points)
+21:55 < jtanx> if count < 0, then return at most the default amount (SENSOR_QUERYBUFSIZ)
+21:56 < jtanx> otherwise return /at most/ that many points
+21:56 < jtanx> oh ya, if from >= 0 then return from that indicated index
+21:57 < jtanx> it's only in my git repository for now because I haven't tested it enough and I'm still not sure how I should go about integrating it with the current code
+21:58 < jtanx> (I basically rewrote Sensor_Handler and it has less error checks on the input; not sure if they're necessary or not)
+21:59 < jtanx> Since requesting a huge range could impact on sensor readings due to the mutex, it may be better to at least restrict dumps to when the experiment is not 'running'
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+18:06 < Callum_> what was the server stuff you said to install? also what packages do i need?
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+18:21 < jtanx> if you want to install the server, you need at least the 'nginx' and 'spawn-fcgi' packages
+18:21 < jtanx> one nginx is installed you need to copy the config files from the git repository in
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+17:25 < jtanx> it looks like we do need an sd card, at least to install the os onto it
+17:26 < jtanx> http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#update
+17:41 < jtanx> http://avedo.net/653/flashing-ubuntu-13-04-or-debian-wheezy-to-the-beaglebone-black-emmc/
+17:42 < sam_moore> Ok, we should write a BOM for next week then
+17:42 < sam_moore> 1x SD Card
+17:44 < jtanx> from what I understand
+17:45 < jtanx> you write an image to the sd card
+17:45 < jtanx> boot off the sd card
+17:45 < jtanx> then you can write another image directly too the internal storage
+17:45 < jtanx> after that you don't need the sd card any more
+17:46 < sam_moore> Alright
+17:46 < jtanx> http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
+17:47 < jtanx> any preference for ubuntu or debian?
+17:48 < sam_moore> As a debian user, I'd have to say debian :P
+17:49 < jtanx> hehe
+17:49 < sam_moore> If it works on debian stable, we know it will work for at least the next 6 years
+17:49 < jtanx> yup
+17:49 < jtanx> debian should be fine
+17:53 < jtanx> *correction; we need a microsd card
+17:56 < jtanx> that's at least 2GB in size
+17:57 < sam_moore> Ok
+18:04 < jtanx> haha it's cheaper to buy a 4gb one than a 2gb one
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+20:15 < jtanx> Well I can confirm that angstrom doesn't have nginx precompiled - http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
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+15:58 < jtanx> urgh
+15:58 < jtanx> it took so long just getting internet access to the bbb
+16:01 < jtanx> dhcp/dns issues
+16:01 < jtanx> the debian image on the microsd is set to static ip 192.168.0.7
+16:02 < jtanx> /etc/resolv.conf should have the uwa nameservers in it, but it may have been rewritten by resolvconf
+16:02 < jtanx> I've left it in g19
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+19:32 < jtanx> I've moved the 'current_time', 'start_time' and 'running_time' to the identify module instead of sticking it on every json response, because it's probably not information that will be required most of the time
+19:37 < jtanx> actually, we may have to rethink those, especially if we introduce start/stop control
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+09:36 < sam_moore> I think I have some time after the tutorial today to work on stuff
+09:36 < sam_moore> I take it we have the bbb now?
+09:37 < sam_moore> I'll bring that crappy webcam
+09:37 < sam_moore> Maybe look into sending images as part of the API, see if it's feasable to do it that way
+09:38 < sam_moore> I think we can introduce start/stop control fairly easily
+09:40 < sam_moore> "Mush Mush"
+09:40 < sam_moore> Heh
+09:41 < sam_moore> To reduce the load on the client, we might be able to send averaged data points instead of every data point
+09:41 < sam_moore> You specify "averages per point"
+09:42 < sam_moore> So each [time, value] pair is actually an average of X recordings
+09:42 < sam_moore> In fact it's better to send [mean_time, mean_value, std_dev]
+09:42 < sam_moore> The std_dev gives you an idea of noise and/or if the value is changing a lot
+09:43 < sam_moore> And of course you can always specify a single average and it becomes equivelant to what we currently do
+09:50 < jtanx> yeah
+09:50 < jtanx> I'm free after the tute
+09:50 < jtanx> I'm bringing in a router to make it easier
+09:50 < jtanx> to work on the bbb together
+09:51 < jtanx> yesterday it was so painful trying to get shit working
+09:51 < jtanx> dhcp issues, dns issues, internet connection sharing issues...
+09:51 < jtanx> (mostly the fault of my own computer though)
+09:51 < jtanx> btw I'm working on adding an extra function to FCGI to makeit easier to parse parameters
+09:51 < jtanx> (hoepfully)
+09:55 < jtanx> gtg see you at the tute
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+18:26 < Callum> would be easier to talk here...if everyone was on
+18:41 < jtanx> did you bring the bbb home?
+18:43 < sam_moore> Yep
+18:44 < sam_moore> I'll put it back tomorrow morning
+18:49 < jtanx> ok
+19:47 < jtanx> I'm so tempted to use bitflags for that request function
+19:52 < jtanx> one thing that I need to do is to sanitise json string fields
+20:18 < sam_moore> Sanitise? As in "make sane" or "make clean"?
+20:18 < sam_moore> Um... if you think bitflags are necessary, I fully support you :P
+20:19 < jtanx> as in
+20:19 < jtanx> If I allow FCGI_JSONPair to also be passed a format string
+20:19 < jtanx> then having stuff like \ or " or newline characters for eg in the string
+20:20 < jtanx> is not a good idea
+20:20 < sam_moore> Hmm
+20:20 < jtanx> it's sorta like this:
+20:20 < sam_moore> Well, writing the function to print out data (either as TSV or JSON)
+20:20 < sam_moore> I've only been using FCGI_PrintRaw
+20:20 < jtanx> yeah
+20:20 < jtanx> but right now, you're logging messages in Server_handler
+20:20 < jtanx> about invalid values
+20:21 < sam_moore> Yes, I'm not sure how to deal with that
+20:21 < jtanx> Sensor_handler*
+20:21 < jtanx> so
+20:21 < jtanx> eg Log(LOGERR, "Require \"all\" or an integer value: %s = %s", key, value);
+20:21 < sam_moore> Yes
+20:21 < jtanx> if I wanted to send that back to the client in FCGI_RejectJSON
+20:21 < jtanx> there's the potential (...) that the user could hvae included a " in the value
+20:22 < jtanx> so if you return it as part of your json response, then suddenly it's broken
+20:22 < sam_moore> Oh, that sucks
+20:23 < sam_moore> Perhaps treat Log messages seperately from JSON responses?
+20:23 < jtanx> eg: "description":" required an id, got 'blah-stray"'"
+20:23 < jtanx> yeah
+20:24 < jtanx> What I could do is just replace any special characters with space
+20:24 < jtanx> and return that in description
+20:24 < jtanx> but keep the actual value in log
+20:24 < sam_moore> Maybe
+20:24 < sam_moore> You could also call FCGI_RejectJSON as soon as you get a special character
+20:25 < sam_moore> Since we shouldn't have any key/values that use them
+20:25 < sam_moore> (I think :P)
+20:25 < jtanx> lol
+20:25 < sam_moore> Whatever seems best
+20:25 < jtanx> let me think about it some more
+20:25 < sam_moore> Yeah, fair enough
+20:25 < sam_moore> Um, another thing (sorry) is error messages that you might get independent of any request
+20:26 < sam_moore> Like you suddenly have an I/O error on a file
+20:26 < sam_moore> Currently we handle that with Fatal
+20:26 < sam_moore> Which it would be convenient to keep; but instead of terminating the whole program, we need to notify the client somehow
+20:26 < jtanx> that won't happen until the next request
+20:27 < jtanx> what you could do is keep it exiting
+20:27 < jtanx> when that happens, nginx sends 502 bad gateway
+20:27 < jtanx> then if that's detected, send a link to the log file
+20:27 < sam_moore> Yeah, that seems good
+20:27 < jtanx> and a method to restart the software
+20:28 < sam_moore> Do we want to notify the client of non-fatal errors or warnings though?
+20:28 < sam_moore> Hmm
+20:29 < jtanx> hmm
+20:29 < jtanx> probably a good idea
+20:29 < jtanx> but how
+20:29 < sam_moore> The client could periodically request the log file and deal with messages?
+20:30 < jtanx> It could just display it I guess
+20:30 < jtanx> onus on the user to take action if required
+20:30 < sam_moore> Sure, an alert might be nice though
+20:30 < sam_moore> Perhaps have an extra log file that just has the most recent message in it (with a timestamp)
+20:31 < jtanx> you could perform a regex on the text and highlight lines with warning or something
+20:31 < sam_moore> The client just periodically looks at that and if it's a new message can alert
+20:31 < sam_moore> Yeah that would work, as long as the file doesn't get too big
+20:31 < sam_moore> It probably won't
+20:31 < jtanx> well you could autoscroll it anyway
+20:32 < jtanx> but ok maybe that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves
+20:32 < sam_moore> Yeah, sure
+20:32 < sam_moore> I'll get back to rewriting 90% of the sensor code :P
+20:32 < jtanx> haha
+20:32 < jtanx> currently, I've got
+20:32 < jtanx> bool FCGI_ParseRequest(FCGIContext *context, char *params, FCGIValue values[], size_t count);
+20:32 < jtanx> (any better suggestion for FCGIValue?)
+20:32 < jtanx> (the name that is)
+20:33 < jtanx> with
+20:33 < sam_moore> That's probably fine
+20:33 < jtanx> typedef struct FCGIValue {
+20:33 < jtanx> const char *key;
+20:33 < jtanx> void *value;
+20:33 < jtanx> unsigned flags;
+20:33 < jtanx> } FCGIValue;
+20:33 < jtanx> you then do
+20:33 < jtanx> something like:
+20:33 < jtanx> FCGIValue values[2] = {{"sensors", &ident_sensors, FCGI_REQUIRED(FCGI_BOOL_T)},
+20:33 < jtanx> {"actuators", &ident_actuators, FCGI_BOOL_T}};
+20:33 < sam_moore> Looks good
+20:33 < jtanx> although I'm open to suggestions on those type names too
+20:34 < jtanx> if you really have to
+20:34 < jtanx> you can do something like FCGI_RECEIVED(values[0].flags)
+20:34 < jtanx> to check if you received the argument or not
+20:34 < sam_moore> If it's not too hard to implement, then OK
+20:35 < jtanx> ?
+20:35 < sam_moore> That looks reasonably nice
+20:35 < jtanx> the #defines look less so:
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_PARAM_REQUIRED (1 << 0)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_PARAM_RECEIVED (1 << 1)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_BOOL_T (1 << 2)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_LONG_T (1 << 3)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_DOUBLE_T (1 << 4)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_STRING_T (1 << 5)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_REQUIRED(x) ((x) | FCGI_PARAM_REQUIRED)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_IS_REQUIRED(x) ((x) & FCGI_PARAM_REQUIRED)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_RECEIVED(x) ((x) & FCGI_PARAM_RECEIVED)
+20:35 < jtanx> #define FCGI_TYPE(x) ((x) & ~(FCGI_PARAM_REQUIRED | FCGI_PARAM_RECEIVED))
+20:35 < sam_moore> In fact it's similar to how you use select(2)
+20:35 < sam_moore> Wow, macros
+20:35 < jtanx> :P
+20:35 < jtanx> makes life easier
+20:36 < sam_moore> Alright, this is C
+20:36 < sam_moore> Yeah, FCGI_RECEIVED(values[i].flags) looks nice (from the point of view of actually using it anyway)
+20:37 < jtanx> yeah it's ok
+20:37 < jtanx> the only stickler is that hardcoded index
+20:37 < jtanx> can't really do much about that though
+20:37 < sam_moore> I can put an enum in the function
+20:38 < jtanx> if you want; it might be more work to maintain the enum than anything though
+20:39 < jtanx> but yeah, essentially if you require a parameter, you surround the type in FCGI_REQUIRED()
+20:39 < jtanx> hopefully that part was clear
+20:39 < sam_moore> Yep, I'm happy with that
+20:39 < jtanx> cool
+20:43 < jtanx> for the bool value, what behaviour do you think is better
+20:43 < jtanx> always set the value to true, or invert the current value
+20:44 < jtanx> right now it's set to always be true
+21:06 < sam_moore> Um... always set to true?
+21:09 < jtanx> yeah
+21:29 < jtanx> oh
+21:30 < jtanx> well I didn't need to escape after all
+21:30 < jtanx> If you do something like this: http://mctx.us.to:8080/api?afa%22%22%22%22
+21:30 < jtanx> it gets url encoded
+21:30 < jtanx> http://mctx.us.to:8080/api?afa""""
+21:30 < jtanx> I wonder if that's guaranteed
+21:32 < jtanx> well, apparently it's not because IE doesn't escape it for you
+21:32 < jtanx> so I did need to escape
+21:33 < sam_moore> There's no escape
+21:46 < jtanx> wait wat
+21:59 < sam_moore> (It's a pun)
+22:00 < sam_moore> So I've made a DataFile structure to isolate it a bit more from the higher level Sensor related stuff
+22:00 < sam_moore> Hopefully things make more sense
+22:00 < sam_moore> I put in 2 seperate FILE* as well
+22:00 < sam_moore> And got rid of the confusing "fill a buffer then dump the buffer to a file" loop
+22:01 < sam_moore> Now it just writes each point to a file
+22:01 < sam_moore> Hopefully it's thread safe enough
+22:01 < sam_moore> Now... I just need to simplify the Sensor_Handler function...
+22:02 < jtanx> > (It's a pun)
+22:02 * jtanx facepalm
+22:03 < jtanx> hoho
+22:03 < jtanx> ok
+22:03 < jtanx> I'll submit what I've done so far to git
+22:08 < jtanx> callum
+22:08 < jtanx> that code you submitted
+22:08 < jtanx> I don't think it's right
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+22:09 < jtanx> the stuff with g_sensor_names, that's the human readable name of each sensor
+22:10 < sam_moore> I've changed the name and how the sanity check gets called, but I've left the body unimplemented for now
+22:12 < jtanx> it's with the pull request he submitted ~30mins ago
+22:12 < sam_moore> Oh, ok
+22:13 < sam_moore> Good thing I made a new branch for my changes
+22:14 < jtanx> the pull request isn't merged yet
+22:15 < sam_moore> Yeah, I don't think we should merge that, sorry Callum
+22:17 < jtanx> ok just submitted the pull request
+22:17 < sam_moore> I never put documentation on g_sensor_names I guess, sorry
+22:17 < jtanx> I think I did though
+22:17 < jtanx> but in the header file
+22:18 < jtanx> which is annoying :/
+22:18 < jtanx> (as in there's more than one spot to put documentation)
+22:19 < sam_moore> Yeah... does one overwrite another?
+22:19 < sam_moore> I'll just copy paste the same thing into the .c file
+22:19 < jtanx> No idea how doxygen handles that
+22:20 < sam_moore> I wonder how much fun I'll have merging these branches...
+22:20 < jtanx> hehe
+22:20 < jtanx> I'm not really sure if FCGI_ParseRequest will be that helpful or not
+22:20 < jtanx> if you find it doesn't really help then we can scrap it
+22:21 < sam_moore> Well it makes sense to seperate the code for getting key,value pairs from the code that does stuff with them
+22:23 < jtanx> I guess
+22:23 < sam_moore> I've basically moved a lot of functionality from sensor.c into a new file data.c under functions with the prefix "Data_"
+22:24 < jtanx> ok
+22:24 < sam_moore> data.c doesn't care anything about what the data is or where it came from, it just wraps around saving/reading/selecting ranges of DataPoints
+22:25 < jtanx> sounds like a good idea
+22:25 < jtanx> it might be of use in actuator code I guess
+22:25 < sam_moore> Yeah, there's a DataFile structure that basically wraps around the binary file
+22:25 < sam_moore> Yes, I was thinking that too
+22:25 < sam_moore> Because we'll probably want to store DataPoints when an actuator gets changed
+22:26 < jtanx> yeah true
+22:27 < sam_moore> If the idea about using 2 FILE* is right... I don't think we really need any mutexes?
+22:28 < sam_moore> There is an index that gets incremented, but since only one thread can write to it, the worst that can happen is you return one (maybe two at the extreme) less point than actually exists
+22:29 < sam_moore> If you had 2 threads incrementing the index you'd need a mutex though
+22:29 < jtanx> the problem is that setting a value is not guaranteed to be atomic
+22:29 < jtanx> i think
+22:29 < sam_moore> Yes, sure
+22:29 < jtanx> so while setting and you read it it could be indeterminate
+22:29 < sam_moore> Mmm
+22:30 < jtanx> I think you need mutexes around reading/writing the points_written(?)
+22:30 < jtanx> index
+22:30 < jtanx> but that's it
+22:31 < jtanx> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/54188/are-c-reads-and-writes-of-an-int-atomic
+22:31 < sam_moore> I'm not sure you do if you are writing in one thread and reading in another
+22:31 < sam_moore> Ah, stackoverflow, OK
+22:32 < jtanx> it's actually very architecture specific
+22:32 < sam_moore> Yeah "Yes, no, hmmm, well it depends" is probably right
+22:32 < jtanx> haha
+22:32 < sam_moore> Well... there are no mutexes at the moment, but maybe I should get around to putting them in
+22:32 < sam_moore> I think I had one thread writing and another reading in my parallel programming assignment and got full marks :S
+22:33 < sam_moore> Threads are strange and magical
+22:33 < jtanx> hey well it probably works 99% of the time
+22:34 < sam_moore> Ah, it probably works if the size of the integer is smaller than the bus
+22:34 < sam_moore> smaller or equal
+22:34 < jtanx> too bad linux doesn't have something like InterlockedExchange
+22:35 < sam_moore> I'll add mutexes in later then
+22:35 < jtanx> One thing I liked about C++ was auto locks
+22:36 < jtanx> (you could call some lock function and once that scope ended the lock ended too)
+22:36 < sam_moore> That's nice
+22:40 < jtanx> Ok, that's all I'm probably going to get done today
+22:41 < sam_moore> Yeah, thanks
+22:42 < jtanx> what's with the meeting tomorrow though
+22:43 < sam_moore> I'm busy from 2:00pm until at least 4:00pm (maybe later)
+22:43 < sam_moore> But I think I should be preparing for something before 2:00pm
+22:44 < jtanx> ok, I'll probably come in around 1.30pm so I can work with Callum, and I'll stay on until whatever time
+22:44 < sam_moore> Alright
+22:45 < sam_moore> Check github in the morning, I'll push all my changes
+22:45 < jtanx> ok I'll do that
+22:45 < sam_moore> Hopefully they make sense, otherwise you can change everything back :P
+22:45 < sam_moore> The wonders of git
+22:45 < jtanx> haha I'm sure it'll make sense
+22:46 < jtanx> after staring for a while
+22:46 < sam_moore> Yeah it should be a bit simpler
+22:46 < jtanx> thanks
+22:47 < jtanx> see you tomorrow (probably)
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+08:31 < jtanx> oh yeah, I forgot to restart the bot :P
+08:53 < sam_moore> So, using 2 FILE* causes some problems, I recommend we just use 1
+08:54 < sam_moore> In theory the operating system is supposed to use locks when multiple processes have access to the same file
+08:54 < sam_moore> But...
+08:54 < sam_moore> It probably doesn't work with threads
+08:55 < sam_moore> I'm not sure exactly what goes wrong, but using 1 works and isn't really going to be slower (if the OS uses locks then that probably has a similar overhead to using a mutex)
+08:59 < jtanx> yeah, let's stick to one then
+09:00 < jtanx> there's still a few bugs around I think
+09:00 < sam_moore> Probably
+09:01 < sam_moore> I put valgrind back in, I got rid of a lot last night
+09:01 < jtanx> nice
+09:01 < sam_moore> Although I probably introduced them in the first place
+09:01 < jtanx> what was with that mem leak in fastcgi code?
+09:03 < sam_moore> Oh, that wasn't a memory leak, it was an uninitialised value
+09:04 < sam_moore> I thought I'd be clever and use sizeof() on the FCGIValue array
+09:04 < sam_moore> But I forgot that the actual number of elements is not just sizeof()
+09:04 < sam_moore> It's sizeof(array) / sizeof(element)
+09:04 < jtanx> oh right haha
+09:05 < sam_moore> So the refactored code basically does the same thing
+09:05 < sam_moore> But hopefully it's a bit cleaner
+09:05 < jtanx> yep
+09:05 < jtanx> it's pretty good
+09:06 < jtanx> when you get an invalid id or format, do you want to reject that?
+09:07 < sam_moore> Yeah, I wasn't sure what I should do there, but I think Sensor_Handler is the only place you can really deal with that
+09:07 < jtanx> yeah
+09:07 < sam_moore> I did have it calling FCGI_RejectJSON if the sensor id was invalid
+09:08 < jtanx> the current code on git just calls Log
+09:08 < sam_moore> But I must have done something wrong, because the normal JSON was getting printed just after that
+09:08 < sam_moore> So I removed it
+09:08 < jtanx> oh yeah
+09:08 < jtanx> you have to return after FCGI_RejectJSON
+09:08 < sam_moore> Ah
+09:08 < sam_moore> Durr
+09:08 < jtanx> :P
+09:09 < jtanx> anyways I'll look through and see if I can fix stuff up
+09:09 < jtanx> then I'll try and do that start/stop stuf
+09:10 < sam_moore> Ok
+09:10 < sam_moore> I put in Sensor_Start and Sensor_Stop which might help
+09:10 < sam_moore> I thought you might want to pause data collection without actually "stopping" the experiment?
+09:11 < jtanx> ok
+09:11 < jtanx> that might be a good idea
+09:11 < sam_moore> And also it should be fairly easy to implement a Sensor_Load if we want to be able to load previous experiments
+09:11 < jtanx> yeah
+09:38 < jtanx> those issues with fread
+09:38 < jtanx> it could be because you didn't specify the 'b' flag in fopen
+09:38 < jtanx> ?
+09:39 < jtanx> // Clear the FILE*s
+09:39 < jtanx> df->read_file = NULL;
+09:39 < jtanx> df->write_file = NULL;
+09:39 < jtanx> fclose(df->write_file);
+09:52 < sam_moore> Oh... hurdur
+09:52 < sam_moore> Wait how is it working at all
+09:52 < sam_moore> The write file is mode "w+" which should make it plain text
+09:53 < jtanx> so it's no longer a binary file?
+09:53 < jtanx> I think i may not be experiencing the same issues as you just because I'm running everything on single core processors
+09:53 < sam_moore> Well... it certainly looks like a binary file when you try and cat it
+09:53 < jtanx> ok
+09:53 < jtanx> it's probably a good idea to stick to one file pointer and use mutexes
+09:53 < sam_moore> Yeah
+09:53 < sam_moore> But also make sure that file is binary
+09:53 < jtanx> yeah
+09:54 < sam_moore> It's probably compiler specific what happens when you use fwrite and fread on a plain text file
+09:54 < jtanx> probably
+09:54 < sam_moore> But it looks like a binary file to me, so I'm not sure that's related to the problems with fread
+09:54 < sam_moore> I can investigate this by changing like 4 characters...
+09:55 < jtanx> one thing I did notice on linux
+09:55 < jtanx> if it wasn't a binary file you'd have to use fflush to explicitly write out text and have it appear when you used cat
+09:56 < jtanx> but overall I think it's not due to it being a binary file or not
+09:56 < sam_moore> Yep
+09:56 < sam_moore> I just put the second FILE* for read_file back in
+09:56 < sam_moore> Made them both binary
+09:56 < sam_moore> Still get the "Transport endpoint is not connected" errors
+09:57 < sam_moore> So there should be a "b" in the file mode, but that's unrelated to having multiple FILE*
+09:57 < jtanx> yep then I think that's due to you running it on a multicore processor
+09:57 < jtanx> maybe
+09:57 < sam_moore> I think the OS locks around file access are based on PID
+09:58 < jtanx> on linux all file locks are advisory only
+09:58 < sam_moore> Can
+09:58 < sam_moore> Anyway, it's clearly safest to just have one FILE*
+09:58 < jtanx> yeah
+09:58 < jtanx> I'm changing it now
+10:09 < jtanx> oh ffs that's the second time it's crashed simply because I didn't do make clean before make
+10:16 < sam_moore> haha
+10:17 < sam_moore> Modify the make file to always run make clean?
+10:28 < jtanx> haha that's one option
+10:28 < jtanx> it's because make doesn't consider changes to the header files
+10:28 < jtanx> there's a way to make it detect those, but *effort*
+10:40 < sam_moore> Regarding Actuators, I think if we design for a thread to control (one or more) actuators that will make it easy to add more advanced control later
+10:42 < sam_moore> eg: The Actuator_Handler just sets some kind of formula or says "Every time sensor 0 is stable for Xs (within a range) change actuator by Y" and the thread watches the sensor data and changes the actuator when necessary
+10:43 < sam_moore> You could also add feedback that way too
+10:44 < sam_moore> "Set this actuator so that sensor 0 has value X"
+10:46 < jtanx> hmm
+10:47 < jtanx> about the sensor stuff
+10:47 < jtanx> there were a few things I noticed
+10:48 < jtanx> the time wrapping
+10:48 < jtanx> could still give a negative start_time or end_time
+10:48 < jtanx> if the user specified a very negative start_time/end_time
+10:49 < jtanx> (eg specifies a negative time greater than the total running time)
+10:49 < sam_moore> Oh yeah
+10:49 < jtanx> so in data_printbytimes
+10:49 < jtanx> I just clamped it to zero
+10:49 < jtanx> instead of asserting
+10:49 < sam_moore> Fair enough
+10:49 < jtanx> strangely this code seems to work pretty good:
+10:49 < jtanx> void Data_PrintByTimes(DataFile * df, double start_time, double end_time, DataFormat format)
+10:49 < jtanx> {
+10:49 < jtanx> assert(df != NULL);
+10:49 < jtanx> //Clamp boundaries
+10:49 < jtanx> if (start_time < 0)
+10:49 < jtanx> start_time = 0;
+10:50 < jtanx> if (end_time < 0)
+10:50 < jtanx> end_time = 0;
+10:50 < jtanx> int start_index = 0, end_index = 0;
+10:50 < jtanx> if (start_time < end_time)
+10:50 < jtanx> {
+10:50 < jtanx> start_index = Data_FindByTime(df, start_time, NULL);
+10:50 < jtanx> end_index = Data_FindByTime(df, end_time, NULL);
+10:50 < jtanx> }
+10:50 < jtanx> Data_PrintByIndexes(df, start_index, end_index, format);
+10:50 < jtanx> }
+10:50 < jtanx> oh but that was the other ting
+10:50 < jtanx> it works better if you have exclusive end index/time
+10:50 < sam_moore> Ok
+10:50 < sam_moore> I have to go now
+10:50 < jtanx> ok
+10:50 < sam_moore> See you this afternoon if you're still there
+10:50 < jtanx> yep see you then
+10:51 < jtanx> probably
+13:44 < callum> should i just add the sensor threshold values to the sensor struct?
+13:47 < jtanx> probably not
+13:47 < jtanx> I think you have to create a new struct
+13:48 < jtanx> are you at uni?
+13:49 < callum> yea. why is a new struct necessary?
+13:49 < jtanx> come to g19
+13:49 < jtanx> the bbb is setup too
+16:17 < sam_moore> Are you guys still in G19?
+16:17 < sam_moore> On my way now
+18:42 < jtanx> lol you need to use a transistor to turn on an led from the gpio pins
+19:56 < jtanx> ok I think I'll just escape all input parameters from within the request loop
+19:56 < jtanx> then at least you're guaranteed that user input won't stuff up anything
+19:56 < jtanx> (as in making it generate invalid JSON)
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+11:32 < sam_moore> blergh, too many different versions of OpenCV
+11:32 < sam_moore> Also too many different data types
+11:33 < sam_moore> "Getting a digital image into numbers can be very handy for your image processing. In this post i will brief just that."
+11:34 < sam_moore> Thank god, finally a tutorial that makes sense
+11:34 -!- Irssi: #mctxuwa_softdev: Total of 2 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal]
+11:34 < sam_moore> ... no one else is in the channel
+11:34 < sam_moore> :S
+12:36 < jtanx> on start/stop/pausing an experiment
+12:36 < jtanx> currently everything is relative to g_options.start_time
+12:42 < sam_moore> Yeah
+12:43 < sam_moore> Perhaps make an ExperimentTime function and that leaves us free to change what the time stamps are relative to?
+12:43 < sam_moore> Looking into this interferometer stuff...
+12:43 < jtanx> ok, maybe as part of the Control_ module then
+12:43 < sam_moore> Interesting problem, I think I've worked out an algorithm that isn't too terrible
+12:44 < jtanx> yeah?
+12:44 < jtanx> how does it work
+12:45 < sam_moore> If you have a sinusoidal wave, find the x intercepts, and that lets you calculate the phase and frequency
+12:45 < sam_moore> That's the simple version
+12:46 < jtanx> haha alright
+12:46 < sam_moore> I have 3 pages of notes that I can show Adrian/Adam if I can't get it working
+12:46 < jtanx> wow
+12:46 < jtanx> nice work
+12:47 < sam_moore> Fortran would be good for the array operations
+12:47 < sam_moore> If fortran were able to do anything *other* than array operations it would be a nice language...
+12:47 < jtanx> have you ever used Fortan before?
+12:48 < sam_moore> Yes
+12:48 < sam_moore> I'm going to keep it in C though
+12:48 < sam_moore> It took long enough to get OpenCV working
+12:48 < sam_moore> I'm sure there's some kind of convoluted Fortran library
+12:49 < sam_moore> But a seperate fortran program won't talk to our server
+12:49 < jtanx> can you compile the code as a library with C interop
+12:49 < sam_moore> Erm..
+12:49 < sam_moore> Probably more effort than just doing it in C
+12:49 < jtanx> probably
+12:51 < jtanx> I think a separate mutex is needed around the *_Stop() functions
+12:51 < jtanx> because if a client sends in a request
+12:51 < sam_moore> Oh, good point
+12:52 < jtanx> although that's only going to be a problem if our own software calls the stop function because of the sanity checks
+12:52 < sam_moore> If there are 2 requests?
+12:52 < sam_moore> No wait, the FCGI stuff is serial
+12:52 < jtanx> the request loop is single threaded
+12:52 < sam_moore> It has to finish processing one request to respond to the next
+12:52 < sam_moore> That's fine
+12:56 < sam_moore> Put a mutex in the Sensor struct, use the same one that's already in the Actuator struct, put critical sections around setting the "s->record_data" or "a->activated" variables (or whatever you choose to use as a "is thing running" flag)
+12:56 < sam_moore> And check the flag hasn't already been set before doing anything
+12:57 < sam_moore> Similar to how the Thread_Running() and Thread_QuitProgram() functions used to work
+12:57 < sam_moore> .... Before I deleted them
+12:57 < sam_moore> Any thread could call Thread_QuitProgram, and repeated calls would have no effect
+13:01 < jtanx> ok I'll try that
+13:51 < jtanx> actually, what about this:
+13:51 < jtanx> in control.c, it maintains its own mutex
+13:51 < jtanx> so
+13:52 < jtanx> and it's the only place where Sensor_Start/Stop Actuator_Start/Stop is called
+13:53 < jtanx> You then have Control_Lock/Unlock that's placed around the responses in the handler functions
+13:53 < jtanx> those functions internally lock/unlock the mutex held in control.c
+13:53 < jtanx> ah stuff it
+13:53 < jtanx> I'll commit it to my git repo
+13:54 < jtanx> I still don't know how the pause functionality should be done though
+13:54 < jtanx> especially with the time discontinuities
+14:01 < jtanx> oh yeah, just a reminder that you have to be careful using FCGI_LONG_T vs FCGI_INT_T
+14:02 < jtanx> if your variable is of type int but you give FCGI_LONG_T, and where sizeof(int) != sizeof(long) then there could be a buffer overflow
+14:13 < sam_moore> Right
+14:14 < sam_moore> If you want to commit to the main repo you can use a new branch
+14:14 < sam_moore> Having a single mutex in control.c instead of one per sensor/actuator is probably better
+14:15 < sam_moore> With the pause functionality... I think if you just don't call Data_Close() (and don't call Data_Open on resuming) but otherwise stop the threads running Sensor_Loop in the same way
+14:15 < sam_moore> That should do most of it
+14:16 < sam_moore> Don't reset the experiment start time
+14:17 < sam_moore> Perhaps the experiment start time needs to be stored somewhere though
+14:18 < sam_moore> Anyway, I'll let you solve the problem :P
+14:48 < jtanx> ._.
+15:45 < jtanx> well I think I got something semi-working
+15:45 < jtanx> it involved adding on Sensor_PauseAll/ResumeAll + Acuator_PauseAll/ResmueAll (plus the individual Pause/Resume) functions
+15:46 < sam_moore> Cool
+15:46 < sam_moore> I think I'm starting to get my head around OpenCV
+15:46 < sam_moore> The documentation for it is a bit crap
+15:46 < jtanx> oh don't get me started on opencv documentation
+15:47 < jtanx> yesterday it took me and callum around 30 mins to figure out that CvMat structure
+15:47 < sam_moore> Haha
+15:47 < sam_moore> It probably took me a bit longer :S
+15:47 < jtanx> the problem is that most of it's geared towards c++ usage
+15:49 < jtanx> back on that control stuff, basically those Sensor/Actuator_[Start|Stop|Pause|Resume] functions can only be called via the Control_[Start|Stop|Pause|Resume] functions
+15:50 < jtanx> partly because of threading issues but also because it's the only place where the current state is currently kept track of
+15:51 < jtanx> (e.g if you call Sensor_Start twice then...
+15:53 < sam_moore> Seems sensible
+15:53 < jtanx> anyway, I'm taking a break from this stuff for a while
+15:53 < sam_moore> Yeah, fair enough
+15:54 < jtanx> If you want to see what I've done so far, it's on my git repo (haven't added comments yet)
+15:54 < sam_moore> Cool
+16:50 < sam_moore> The IplImage vs CvMat conversion is dumb
+16:50 < sam_moore> In fact I don't think you even need to do it?
+16:51 < sam_moore> Well at least to display an image you can just pass a CvMat
+16:51 < sam_moore> Maybe you still need the IplImage to capture from a camera
+16:51 < sam_moore> I worked out how to convert from IplImage to CvMat anyway
+16:53 < sam_moore> Other than that, OpenCV doesn't actually seem horrible to use
+16:53 < sam_moore> Just... contradictory documentation
+16:55 < sam_moore> Anyway... I've created a moving sinusoidal image!
+16:56 < sam_moore> Now to work out why the algorithm keeps returning -nan :S
+16:56 < sam_moore> Also for some reason the image is blue instead of red
+16:56 < sam_moore> But whatever
+16:57 < jtanx> :S
+16:57 < jtanx> BGR vs RGB?
+17:02 < sam_moore> Looks like it
+17:03 < sam_moore> Doing this with an actual camera is going to suck
+17:04 < sam_moore> See, I've worked out an algorithm to cope with changing background light conditions
+17:04 < sam_moore> Because differentiating a sinusoid gives you another sinusoid with the same phase (offset by pi/2)
+17:05 < sam_moore> Buut... differentiating with finite differences adds more noise
+17:05 < sam_moore> Or rather it makes the noise more pronounced
+17:07 < sam_moore> Hopefully sensors is considering this
+17:07 < sam_moore> If they want to shoot a laser into a camera, they should really do it in a way that keeps out background light
+17:07 < sam_moore> Buuut
+17:07 < sam_moore> I think they mentioned using one camera to do both the interferometer and look at the can
+17:07 < sam_moore> :S
+17:08 < sam_moore> Oh well, the optics is their problem
+17:09 < sam_moore> I suppose I will prepare a report or something about the algorithm and what conditions the image needs to satisfy
+17:12 < jtanx> um
+17:12 < jtanx> there's going to be two cameras
+17:12 < jtanx> because it was too much hassle moving it
+17:12 < sam_moore> Yes... but one was meant to be looking at each can?
+17:13 < jtanx> oh
+17:13 < jtanx> hmm
+17:13 < sam_moore> We should ask them
+17:13 < jtanx> I just thought that one would be for the interferometer (no need to look at can) and the other would be for the can to be blown up
+17:13 < sam_moore> Probably
+17:15 < jtanx> but I was thinking for the one to be blown up
+17:16 < jtanx> you could possibly just stream it using something like ffserver
+17:16 < jtanx> instead of passing it through opencv
+17:16 < sam_moore> Yeah, that seems like it's probably easier
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+18:19 < sam_moore> So... when you take an image with a camera the pixels are stored as rgb with 0->255 values
+18:20 < sam_moore> You can convert the IplImage to a CvMat and it keeps the values ordered as rgb with 0->255 values
+18:20 < sam_moore> And then...
+18:20 < sam_moore> If you try and display it...
+18:20 < sam_moore> The display function treats it as having values in bgr order with 0->1 values
+18:20 < sam_moore> -_-
+18:21 < sam_moore> (So unless you manually adjust all the values you'll just get a white picture in the display)
+18:54 < jtanx> hahaha
+18:54 < jtanx> what
+18:56 < jtanx> for cvShowImage:
+18:56 < jtanx> If the image is 8-bit unsigned, it is displayed as is.
+18:56 < jtanx> If the image is 16-bit unsigned or 32-bit integer, the pixels are divided by 256. That is, the value range [0,255*256] is mapped to [0,255].
+18:56 < jtanx> If the image is 32-bit floating-point, the pixel values are multiplied by 255. That is, the value range [0,1] is mapped to [0,255].
+18:57 < jtanx> so it's treating it as 32-bit floating point?
+20:41 < sam_moore> I think it's because of how I converted the IplImage to a CvMat
+20:42 < sam_moore> My algorithm is almost working
+20:43 < sam_moore> The fact that angles wrap around every 2*pi is giving me a headache though
+20:43 < sam_moore> This is pretty fun
+20:45 < sam_moore> Hopefully I can do Computer Vision as an optional, I think its in the list
+20:45 < sam_moore> Maybe I shouldn't make all my optionals CS units, but meh
+21:20 < jtanx> :P
+21:20 < jtanx> the computer vision unit sounds interesting, but a lot of maths/theory involved
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+11:02 < sam_moore> I'm really glad I put the IRC logs under git
+11:02 < sam_moore> It's very helpful for keeping my diary up to date
+11:40 < jtanx> hehe
+11:40 < jtanx> I'm gladful for git
+11:48 < jtanx> about the bbb
+11:48 < jtanx> it's probably best to just install debian to the internal memory
+11:54 < jtanx> on the controls
+11:54 < jtanx> maybe we can have the following states: start/pause/resume/stop/close
+11:56 < jtanx> actually, maybe just start/pause/resume/close
+11:56 < jtanx> when an 'emergency stop' due to the sanity checks occurs
+11:57 < jtanx> actually, start/pause/resume/close/emergency
+11:57 < jtanx> start/pause/resume/close can only be initiated by the client
+11:58 < jtanx> emergency can be initiated by client/server
+11:58 < jtanx> in emergency, actuators are set as necessary then deactivated
+11:58 < jtanx> but importantly, the data files remain open, which hopefully removes the need for mutexes
+12:26 < sam_moore> That seems sensible
+13:20 < sam_moore> Hey
+13:20 < sam_moore> It's actually quite simple to stream an image through FastCGI
+13:21 < jtanx> yeah
+13:21 < jtanx> you just fwrite the image buffer
+13:21 < sam_moore> Yep
+13:21 < jtanx> I had some test code for that but could never test it
+13:22 < jtanx> no webcam
+13:22 < sam_moore> Ah, damn
+13:22 < sam_moore> I've written some code, it works pretty brilliantly
+13:22 < jtanx> nice
+13:22 < jtanx> this control code is really annoying me
+13:23 < jtanx> just all the considerations of if you need a mutex here or not and 'what happens if...'
+13:23 < sam_moore> Ah, sorry to hear that
+13:23 < jtanx> yeah nah its ok
+13:24 < jtanx> but that interferometer stuff you did looks really cool
+13:26 < sam_moore> Yeah, it worked surprisingly well
+13:26 < sam_moore> It can cope with a fair bit of background light, even without all the improvements I was thinking about
+13:27 < sam_moore> If I add 2 or 3 more columns to scan, and use the fact that we actually know the spatial frequency to eliminate nodes that are too close together
+13:27 < sam_moore> It should be pretty good
+13:27 < sam_moore> I'm not sure what the laser intensity will be, but the generated image looks similar to ones you can find on the internet
+13:28 < sam_moore> One possible problem is if the mirrors aren't flat enough
+13:28 < sam_moore> But hopefully it won't be a big issue (since they've pretty much just specified an expensive pre-built kit which presumably has flat mirrors)
+13:29 < jtanx> yeah
+13:30 < jtanx> here's to hoping 'it just works'
+13:30 < sam_moore> Yep :P
+13:31 < sam_moore> Got to go, bye
+13:32 < jtanx> ok cya
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+19:44 < jtanx> no mctxbot while I work on my f# project
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+15:34 < jtanx> to run the software not as root, we need to at least add it to the 'video' group so it can access the webcam
+15:34 < jtanx> not sure about the sensors
+15:34 < jtanx> eg sudo usermod -a -G video debian
+15:38 < sam_moore> Ah, cool
+15:39 < sam_moore> I think I worked out how to get around the camera crashing without killing the rest of the program, won't implement it for a while though
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+23:18 < Callum> hey
+23:23 < sam_moore> Hi
+23:24 < Callum> do you know how to do the second question of that assignment?
+23:24 < Callum> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B241H5liqVlnbHZETXRZX1Mwd1k/edit?usp=sharing
+23:25 < Callum> rather remember
+23:35 < sam_moore> Well, you can eliminate any epsilon^2 when you substitute those formulae for v into the formula for gamma
+23:35 < sam_moore> Then it has a really simple taylor expansion
+23:35 < Callum> i might have to hunt you down tomorrow to show me. or maybe il be able to think straight tomorrow.
+23:38 < sam_moore> You can express one of the epsilons in terms of the other one after that
+23:40 < sam_moore> I'm pretty busy tomorrow
+23:42 < Callum> mhmm. so no free time at all? coz im fairly free
+23:49 < sam_moore> Not from 8:00am until 5:00pm
+23:49 < Callum> ohwow. you are busy
+23:49 < Callum> im still unsure what im meant to be applyign the taylor expansion to
+23:53 < sam_moore> Substitute in the suggested formulae to gamma, simplify it, then apply a taylor expansion
+23:53 < sam_moore> Anyway, goodnight, good luck
+23:53 < Callum> night
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+16:08 < jtanx> one thing I forgot to mention - the latest version on git uses syslog
+16:08 < jtanx> if you copy the config file (server-configs/rsyslog.d/* ??) to /etc/
+16:09 < jtanx> it will log to /var/log/mctx[something I can't remember].log
+16:10 < jtanx> i'm pretty sure you can also create a log file specifically for warning level and above (so it logs in three places, stderr, the normal log, and a special 'error' log), but I haven't set this up yet
+18:17 < jtanx_> :0
+18:22 < sam_moore> ?
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+20:24 < jtanx> I got the camera image to be updated in javascript instead: http://mctx.us.to:8080/test/
+20:25 < jtanx> right now it's updated around every ~400ms because my webcam is running through a usb1.1 link which seriously limits how fast it can update
+20:36 < jtanx> (its running on a pentium 3 computer)
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+18:02 < jtanx> this seems like an interesting option, at least for the cam that just shows the can explode:http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/mjpg-streamer/index.php?title=Main_Page
+18:51 < sam_moore> Cool
+18:51 < sam_moore> It, ah
+18:52 < sam_moore> Looks like we might have to recompile the kernel to get PWM working
+18:52 < sam_moore> Hooray
+18:52 < sam_moore> Kernel compiling
+18:52 < sam_moore> What could possibly go wrong?
+19:02 < jtanx> really??
+19:02 < jtanx> why....
+19:03 < jtanx> no am33xx_pwm module?
+19:04 < sam_moore> Not that I can tell
+19:05 < jtanx> well crap
+19:06 < sam_moore> Well... surely I can find a precompiled kernel somewhere
+19:06 < jtanx> it seems that stuff for the BBB is at a really premature stage
+19:07 < sam_moore> Yeah, RPi is much nicer
+19:07 < jtanx> the BBB is just too new..
+19:07 < sam_moore> What's the point of having fancy things like ADC and PWM...
+19:07 < sam_moore> If you can't actually use them without jumping through hoops
+19:07 < jtanx> hahaha
+19:07 < jtanx> were you referencing this, when you said we might have to recompile the kernel? https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/wjbOVE6ItNg/AGYVRhYbTX8J
+19:08 < sam_moore> Yeah
+19:08 < sam_moore> ...
+19:08 < sam_moore> I wonder if I can take the kernel used by Angstrom and stick it in /boot
+19:08 < sam_moore> on the SD card
+19:09 < jtanx> ._.
+19:10 < jtanx> what about kernels from here
+19:10 < jtanx> http://rcn-ee.net/deb/precise-armhf/
+19:10 < jtanx> sorry
+19:10 < jtanx> http://rcn-ee.net/deb/wheezy-armhf/
+19:11 < jtanx> what's it currently running
+19:12 < sam_moore> 3.8.13-bone20
+19:13 < sam_moore> Try 3.8.13-bone28 ?
+19:15 < jtanx> what about v3.8.9-bone15
+19:15 < jtanx> oh wait
+19:15 < jtanx> ~.~
+19:15 < sam_moore> I wonder why the BBB developers didn't go with debian...
+19:15 < jtanx> v3.11.0-bone5
+19:15 < jtanx> yeah
+19:15 < jtanx> why angstrom, of all things
+19:15 < sam_moore> Is angstrom used anywhere else?
+19:16 < jtanx> dunno
+19:16 < sam_moore> Other embedded devices, heh
+19:16 < sam_moore> Everyone just has to use their own distro :P
+19:17 < sam_moore> I didn't see the .11 kernels, I'll try the latest one
+19:17 < jtanx> want to try the rc version? lol
+19:18 < jtanx> oh the rc versions are older than .11
+19:19 < jtanx> how does it work?
+19:19 < jtanx> do you just download from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/wheezy-armhf/v3.11.0-bone5/
+19:19 < jtanx> the .sh script and run it from the BBB?
+19:24 < sam_moore> I think so
+19:25 < sam_moore> Well... here goes nothing
+19:26 < sam_moore> Hopefully between 3.8 and 3.11 they actually enabled PWM by default...
+19:27 < sam_moore> It looks like install-me.sh downloads all the .deb files appropriately
+19:29 < sam_moore> It's creating files like: /lib/firmware/bone_pwm_P8_36-00
+19:29 < sam_moore> Which looks promising
+19:29 < sam_moore> Snoopy is not yet on fire
+19:29 < sam_moore> Which is promising
+19:29 < sam_moore> Rebooting and praying
+19:31 < sam_moore> And... it booted into 3.8.13-bone20 -_-
+19:31 < sam_moore> Tempted to just symlink that filename to the new kernel
+19:34 < sam_moore> The new kernel exists in /boot, but obviously there's some boot config that needs to get set
+19:39 < sam_moore> Ok, screw this, I'm making a symlink just to see if it works
+19:40 < jtanx> lol
+19:41 < jtanx> no grub
+19:43 < jtanx> did update-initramfs run?
+19:46 < jtanx> or maybe we need mkimage
+19:47 < jtanx> yeah probably need mkimage
+19:50 < sam_moore> Um, zImage is a symlink to the kernel
+19:50 < sam_moore> But regardless, the new one won't boot
+19:50 < sam_moore> Such a pain
+19:50 < sam_moore> I wonder if we can just toggle the GPIO pin fast enough to implement PWM
+19:56 < sam_moore> Using a decent oscilloscope, I read a 6us period when switching GPIO1_28 on/off as fast as possible
+19:59 < sam_moore> That
+19:59 < sam_moore> s like 166KHz
+19:59 < sam_moore> Heh
+19:59 < sam_moore> Maybe the sources you found were closing the file and reopening it?
+20:01 < sam_moore> Yeah, wow
+20:02 < sam_moore> Using fopen, fprintf and fclose each time takes the period to 224us
+20:02 < sam_moore> Or 4KHz
+20:03 < sam_moore> Also for future reference, that CRO in G19 is definitely broken; it's always a lovely square wave on the modern oscilloscope I'm testing with now
+20:12 < jtanx> haha ok
+20:13 < jtanx> but without kernel support your pwm signal won't be very accurate
+20:13 < sam_moore> Yeah, I suppose
+20:13 < jtanx> how come the new kernel won't boot?
+20:14 < sam_moore> No idea
+20:14 < jtanx> Hmm
+20:14 < jtanx> this lack of documentation on how you do such procedures is pretty crap
+20:15 < sam_moore> Yeah, kernel developers aren't great on documentation
+20:15 < jtanx> is the mkimage package present?
+20:15 < jtanx> if not, install it and try running the install-me script again
+20:16 < jtanx> from this: http://www.jeremycole.com/blog/2011/03/09/beagleboard-upgrading-from-debian-5-to-debian-6/
+20:16 < jtanx> it should be just running that install script and rebooting
+20:16 < sam_moore> Alright, uboot-mkimage I presume?
+20:16 < jtanx> i guess
+20:17 < jtanx> and update-initramfs?
+20:18 < jtanx> (just looking at what the install-me.sh script uses)
+20:18 < sam_moore> Oh, does the script not fail if packages it needs don't exist...
+20:18 < sam_moore> -_-
+20:19 < jtanx> a quick scan says nup
+20:24 < sam_moore> Already had initramfs-tools but not mkimage, so I'll try again
+20:27 < sam_moore> I should probably have focused on the ADC reading before PWM
+20:27 < sam_moore> We're definitely going to get asked about aliasing again
+20:28 < jtanx> urgh yeah
+20:28 < sam_moore> I don't have a signal generator here though
+20:28 < jtanx> this BBB has definitely not been designed with 'plug n play' in mind
+20:28 < sam_moore> Mmm
+20:29 < sam_moore> The Angstrom image would work for this stuff, but obviously has limitations in terms of the webserver stuff
+20:29 < sam_moore> But even with Angstrom you still have to go through a similar convoluted process to control pins
+20:30 < sam_moore> From what I can tell there are two ways to do it
+20:30 < sam_moore> SYSFS, which I can't find much documentation on
+20:30 < sam_moore> Which is the /sys/class/gpio/ stuff
+20:30 < sam_moore> Which actually seems more intuitive than the other way
+20:31 < sam_moore> That involves echoing a bunch of cruft to /sys/devices/cape-manager/slots/ or something similar
+20:31 < jtanx> hmm
+20:32 < sam_moore> There is a /sys/class/pwm
+20:32 < sam_moore> But unfortunately whatever you export it complains about
+20:32 < sam_moore> Probably because the kernel wasn't compiled with it enabled
+20:32 < jtanx> is this with the old kernel?
+20:32 < sam_moore> Yeah
+20:33 < sam_moore> Hangon, the new one's probably finished building by now
+20:34 < jtanx> we don't know if the new one has been compiled with pwm support though
+20:34 < sam_moore> Yeah
+20:36 < sam_moore> The diff between the config options for the kernels shows that the old one has a comment "CONFIG_EHRPWM_TEST is not set" and the newer one has no reference to it
+20:37 < sam_moore> ...
+20:37 < sam_moore> Someone at some point
+20:37 < sam_moore> Has realised that PWM was not enabled
+20:37 < sam_moore> And commented that it isn't enabled
+20:37 < sam_moore> WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THEY JUST ENABLE IT
+20:37 < jtanx> :P
+20:37 < sam_moore> Anyway it still booted off the old kernel
+20:37 < sam_moore> Dinner time
+20:38 < jtanx> ok
+21:15 < sam_moore> http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-LinuxKernel
+21:15 < sam_moore> Looks promising
+21:16 < sam_moore> Hmm...
+21:17 < sam_moore> I'll try using 3.8 but building with the PWM
+21:18 < jtanx> building from source - fun fun :P
+21:19 < sam_moore> Well in theory I just change a config option
+21:19 < jtanx> yeah
+21:19 < sam_moore> When that doesn't work and I have to modify the source, that's when the fun begins
+21:19 < jtanx> let's just hope it works
+21:19 < sam_moore> Yeah, if it doesn't we're (beagle) boned
+21:19 < jtanx> oh while you're at it, figure out how to enable the ethernet-over-usb feature
+21:19 < sam_moore> Haha
+21:20 < jtanx> loljk
+21:25 < sam_moore> Hmmm... compiling a kernel is going to take a while
+21:26 < sam_moore> Ergh, why am I running it on this Pentium D
+21:30 < sam_moore> Hmmm, more troubling... why does a debian wheezy server have OpenSUSE sources in sources.list
+21:30 < sam_moore> Oh well, not my problem
+21:33 < jtanx> heh
+21:33 < sam_moore> How the hell are we going to explain this in the progress report...
+21:34 < sam_moore> Also, I didn't fully understand, why can't you use the same image for multiple BBB?
+21:34 < sam_moore> Are we going to have to do this all again for the other BBB?
+21:34 < sam_moore> Spike I mean
+21:37 < jtanx> no idea
+21:38 < jtanx> without some sort of debugging cable to see what happens when it boots, who knows
+21:38 < sam_moore> :S
+21:39 < sam_moore> I love how git gets to the head of the branch
+21:39 < sam_moore> By starting at the initial commit
+21:39 < sam_moore> And going through every commit and changing the file
+21:42 < sam_moore> It hasn't started building yet
+21:42 < sam_moore> And the way you customise the build...
+21:42 < sam_moore> Is to build it with the defaults, so that the options file exists, then change the options, then build it again -_-
+21:43 < jtanx> ಠ ಠ
+21:43 < sam_moore> Oh well, I have to go home, I'll try finish this tomorrow
+21:43 < sam_moore> Bye
+21:43 < jtanx> ok
+21:43 < jtanx> bye
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+11:23 < sam_moore> http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-pwm-on-beaglebone-with-device-tree-overlays/
+11:23 < sam_moore> So... according to this I should add pwm_test as a kernel module
+11:24 < sam_moore> "This is it. It is now three o’clock in the morning and I have not slept or eaten in two days. My neck is sore, my ass has fallen asleep and my organs are screaming “slow down, man”. I no longer see [CC]s, [LD]s and [AS]s, I only see blondes, brunettes and redheads flashing before my eyes. With my last ounce of energy I barely manage to type in “reboot” as my face hits the keyboard. And that is when it happens.."
+11:25 < sam_moore> Ummm
+11:25 < sam_moore> It's awesome that this guy has solved the problem (I think)
+11:26 < sam_moore> But a bit depressing that it still isn't in the official kernel
+11:29 < sam_moore> I think most people just give up and use Angstrom, which is tempting
+11:30 < sam_moore> I still have that HTTP server code... :P
+11:45 < sam_moore> Looks like Robert C Nelson's 3.8 kernel does have a pwm_test module
+11:45 < sam_moore> Maybe the image you used just had an out of date kernel?
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+11:51 < jtanx> hmm
+11:51 < jtanx> no idea
+11:51 < jtanx> it was made in july I think and it uses those rcn kernels
+11:51 < jtanx> We could always use lighttp
+11:51 < jtanx> lighttpd on angstrom if necessary
+11:52 < jtanx> lighttpd and install mod_fastcgi
+11:55 < jtanx> ok so the image uses 3.8.13-bone20, so maybe it wasn't enabled in that version, but it now is in 3.8.13-bone28?
+12:02 < sam_moore> I've just built 3.8.13-bone28 and the module pwm_test exists
+12:03 < sam_moore> ... I also copied the code from that guy's blog as pwm_test2 just in case :P
+12:03 < sam_moore> I'll have to test it later, but at least we have the kernel module
+12:08 < jtanx> nice
+12:39 < jtanx> ohhhhh I know why it didn't work from one bbb to the next, using the same image
+12:39 < jtanx> When you boot for the first time, it assigns the ethernet port eth0
+12:39 < jtanx> when you then take it out and boot it on a different BBB
+12:40 < jtanx> because the ethernet device has a different id, it gets assigned to say eth1
+12:40 < jtanx> and because you don't have any config for eth1 in your network config, there's no internet access
+12:40 < jtanx> http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone#BeagleBone-Networking:UsingasharedSDcardwithMultipleBeagleBone
+12:41 < jtanx> should fix that
+15:10 < jtanx> Eh, you know what I'll just stop the threads when you want to pause it
+15:10 < jtanx> instead of conditionals
+15:11 < jtanx> it's not like you're pausing the experiment that often
+15:18 < sam_moore> That's fine
+15:19 < sam_moore> The conditional approach is only really necessary if you're constantly pausing the threads
+15:19 < sam_moore> I used it for an nbody simulator, so the computation of force and position was split up between threads
+15:19 < sam_moore> It's really slow if you have to stop and then recreate the threads on every step
+15:22 < sam_moore> Although still actually faster than the single threaded program
+15:22 < sam_moore> Well, depending on how many objects you simulated
+15:23 < sam_moore> Anyway, just stop the threads, it's simpler to code and the performance effect in our case is probably negligable
+15:30 < jtanx> yeah
+15:30 < jtanx> say you had an actuator that was being controlled at that instant when an 'emergency stop' was issued
+15:31 < jtanx> since an 'emergency stop' is the same as just pausing (eg stopping the thread but keep DataFile open)
+15:31 < jtanx> you'd have to wait for that action to be completed before the 'emergency stop' would be propagated
+15:34 < jtanx> welp I guess that's why there's hardware safety interlocks
+15:38 < jtanx> Also, technically wouldn't it be possible to try to set the actuator value before the current value has been set
+15:38 < jtanx> Since there's no queue
+15:39 < jtanx> a->control could be overwritten by a new request as Actuator_SetValue operates
+16:12 < sam_moore> We want that right?
+16:13 < sam_moore> I'll look at it later if I get time
+16:14 < jtanx> I don't know if we want that or not
+16:15 < jtanx> wait want as in the current behaviour or the behaviour with a queue?
+16:16 < sam_moore> The current behaviour
+16:16 < sam_moore> I don't think you need a queue
+16:16 < sam_moore> You can extend the critical section in Actuator_Loop to stop the current control getting overwritten
+16:17 < sam_moore> Move the pthread_mutex_unlock on line 121 to below line 127 (Actuator_SetValue)
+16:17 < sam_moore> That way if Actuator_SetControl is called before the value has been successfully set, it will just wait
+16:17 < sam_moore> Mutexes actually implement a queue
+16:18 < sam_moore> If one thread has a lock on the mutex, subsequent threads that try to access the mutex will queue up; whenever the mutex is unlocked the next thread (if any) which was waiting will get it
+16:18 < jtanx> ok
+16:23 < jtanx> I'll leave it as is for now
+16:23 < sam_moore> Sure
+16:49 < sam_moore> PWM working
+16:49 < jtanx> nice
+16:50 < jtanx> I still don't really understand - did you compile the kernel from scratch
+16:50 < jtanx> or did you figure out how to use the install-me.sh script
+16:50 < sam_moore> I did, but I didn't need to modify it
+16:50 < jtanx> huh
+16:50 < jtanx> ok
+16:51 < sam_moore> http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-LinuxKernel
+16:52 < jtanx> so if we do this: http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-Networking:UsingasharedSDcardwithMultipleBeagleBone
+16:52 < jtanx> We should be able to just copy our image
+16:52 < jtanx> and stick it on the electronics' BBB
+16:53 < sam_moore> Sounds good
+16:53 < sam_moore> I'm glad that worked
+16:53 < jtanx> yeah
+16:54 < jtanx> I wonder if it also enabled the usb0 stuff (ethernet over usb)
+16:58 < sam_moore> PWM appears to have picosecond resolution? Or at least the arguments are in ps
+17:02 < jtanx> oO
+17:11 < sam_moore> ADC can sample at ~4KHz
+17:11 < sam_moore> But... that's using bash
+17:11 < sam_moore> It will probably be massively fast when done in C
+17:11 < jtanx> um
+17:11 < jtanx> is there any need to have it sample at a consistent rate
+17:11 < jtanx> as in, with threads there's no guarantee
+17:12 < jtanx> of a consistent sampling rate
+17:12 < sam_moore> Yes, you're right
+17:13 < sam_moore> I don't think we can achieve a consistent sampling rate, but I don't think it's critical that we do
+17:14 < sam_moore> As soon as we make our software run in an operating system with a kernel and other processes that can run as well, it gets pretty unfeasable to have a constant sample rate
+17:14 < sam_moore> We can have it constant to within an uncertainty I guess
+17:15 < jtanx> yeah, true
+17:18 < sam_moore> If you wanted a really high constant sample rate (say much faster than 1us which is probably the best case we could get) you'd have to use a more low level embedded device
+17:18 < sam_moore> Well I guess you could compile your own kernel for the BBB
+17:19 < sam_moore> But either way you'd have to physically run the webserver/GUI interface stuff on a seperate device
+17:19 < sam_moore> At this stage my feeling is what we have is good enough given the complexity of all the requirements we were given
+17:23 < jtanx> yeah
+17:25 < sam_moore> Hmm, I can set some GPIO pins to toggle whenever Sensor_Read is called and get an idea of sample rates and to what degree of accuracy we can quote the time stamps
+17:26 < sam_moore> I think I'll write some pin control code
+17:26 < sam_moore> I don't trust any of these custom libraries
+17:29 < jtanx> custom libraries?
+17:36 < sam_moore> Well they aren't really libraries
+17:36 < sam_moore> http://www.avrfreaks.net/wiki/index.php/Documentation:Linux/GPIO#Example_of_GPIO_access_from_within_a_C_program
+17:37 < sam_moore> Eg: That one has an fopen and fclose each time the value is changed
+17:38 < sam_moore> I could google until I find someone that has already written a C library, but chances are it will be slow or broken
+17:38 < sam_moore> Since I've worked out how to control the pins I may as well just write the C code to do it
+17:39 < jtanx> yep
+17:49 < sam_moore> I wonder if I can do this with a macro...
+18:30 < sam_moore> Ergh, screw that
+18:31 < sam_moore> Ok, I'm going to implement things like: GPIO/ADC/PWM_Export/Unexport to initialise or deinitialise all pins
+18:31 < jtanx> Ok
+18:31 < jtanx> too much effort with macros?
+18:31 < sam_moore> Yeah,
+18:32 < sam_moore> I was thinking of having something like "GPIOX_Set()" instead of GPIO_Set(int x)"
+18:32 < sam_moore> But that's probably not as nice as I thought it was
+18:32 < sam_moore> Anyway, there's an enum in the header file that contains the id of all pins used
+18:32 < sam_moore> The implementation defines some structs that wrap around the file descriptors
+18:33 < sam_moore> But to use the module you just give it an ID as defined in the enums
+18:33 < jtanx> Makes sense
+18:33 < jtanx> designing the gui is actually not too bad
+18:33 < sam_moore> That's good
+18:34 < jtanx> looks ok in ie8 too
+18:34 < sam_moore> Nice
+18:35 < jtanx> gotta go, dinner
+18:35 < sam_moore> Ok
+18:35 < sam_moore> Hmm, it would be nice if C had value checking on enums
+18:35 < sam_moore> You can define a function that takes an enum type as an argument
+18:36 < sam_moore> But people can still just pass any old integer
+18:36 < sam_moore> As far as I know
+18:36 < sam_moore> eg: typedef enum {FIRST=1, SECOND=10, THIRD=100} EnumType
+18:36 < sam_moore> void Foo(EnumType e);
+18:37 < sam_moore> If you go Foo(2) it won't complain
+18:38 < sam_moore> Annoying
+18:38 < sam_moore> That seems like something the compiler would be able to pick up
+19:31 < sam_moore> Ergh, I'm getting too obsessive compulsive with this pin thing
+19:35 < sam_moore> It's annoying because ADC, GPIO and PWM are treated completely differently
+19:35 < sam_moore> You write one thing and it enables *all* the ADCs
+19:35 < sam_moore> You have to enable each GPIO pin individually
+19:36 < sam_moore> And to enable PWM pins you give a string (not just an integer)
+19:37 < sam_moore> Also the location of the pin files is not guaranteed (though it probably doesn't change for a given system configuration)
+19:39 < sam_moore> Ah, I found a way to enable pwm with /sys/class/ instead of that cape manager thing
+19:39 < sam_moore> I think I'll use that, since at least it's consistent with the GPIO stuff
+19:41 < sam_moore> Ooh!
+19:41 < sam_moore> http://beagleboard-gsoc13.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/sampling-analogue-signals-using-adc-on.html
+19:41 < sam_moore> Provides a driver for continuously sampling with the ADC
+19:41 < sam_moore> Oh wait
+19:41 < sam_moore> Crap in a bucket
+19:42 < sam_moore> Because we're using those multiplexers we can't do that
+19:42 < sam_moore> We have to set the multiplexer before each sample
+19:42 < sam_moore> Oh well, never mind
+19:44 < sam_moore> I suppose we could write our own kernel module :S
+19:45 < sam_moore> I think I understand this enough to talk to Adam next time he tries to talk about sample rate
+19:46 < sam_moore> 1. It's not actually constant, but we can probably have it constant to within a few us
+19:46 < sam_moore> 2. To make it constant would require writing a kernel module
+19:47 < sam_moore> Unless electronics stops being stingy and gets one amplifier per channel :P
+20:22 < jtanx> hehehe
+20:22 < jtanx> next week's adrian though
+20:22 < sam_moore> Ah
+20:23 < jtanx> grilling time
+20:23 < sam_moore> He'll probably ask us the same things :P
+20:23 < jtanx> yeah
+20:23 < jtanx> but man, so much stuff to go through just to get some readings from a few pins
+20:24 < jtanx> so good job with that :P
+20:54 < sam_moore> Thanks
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+00:51 < sam_moore> Hell yes
+00:51 < sam_moore> PWM controlled through web browser
+00:51 < sam_moore> GPIO controlled through web browser
+01:19 < sam_moore> .... And ADC read through web browser
+01:19 < sam_moore> Blergh
+01:28 < sam_moore> I think I'll take the rest of today off from MCTX3420 :S
+11:53 < sam_moore> I've analysed the crap out of sampling rates for this ADC
+11:53 < sam_moore> At least as much as I can just using the timestamps according to gettimeofday
+11:54 < sam_moore> Contrary to my first email, reading the ADC is actually really slow. And also probably the greatest source of variation in sampling rate.
+11:56 < jtanx> wow
+11:56 < jtanx> only 100Hz?
+11:56 < sam_moore> Well it looks more like 1KHz on the oscilloscope, but there's a lot of variation, it has trouble getting a trigger
+11:57 < jtanx> the cpu datasheet rates it at 200kSPS
+11:57 < sam_moore> Hmm
+11:58 < sam_moore> Well judging by the control it is something about the ADC reading that makes it really slow
+11:58 < jtanx> That's annoyng
+11:58 < sam_moore> Yeah
+11:58 < sam_moore> Also annoying is that the ADC file is generally in a different place each time they're enabled
+11:59 < sam_moore> I ended up modifying the program to take the path to the ADC file as an argument
+11:59 < sam_moore> And making run.sh do the initialisation
+11:59 < sam_moore> I figured that was better than calling system()
+11:59 < jtanx> that makes sense
+11:59 < sam_moore> Yep, we might want to set other options that run.sh can pass to it anyway
+12:00 < sam_moore> Ok, I have to stop now, I'm spending way to much time on this
+12:00 < jtanx> Haha
+12:00 < sam_moore> It's getting to the point where I'm considering writing an ADC kernel module that doesn't suck :S
+12:01 < jtanx> :S let's hope it doesn't get to that stage
+20:12 < jtanx> the pressure regulator has a 1-5vdc analogue output
+20:12 < jtanx> is this considered one of the pressure sensors?
+20:14 < jtanx> or maybe it's just not used
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+14:18 < jtanx> with kernel 3.8 they decided to make life hard with device tree overlays
+14:19 < jtanx> http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/277811.aspx
+14:19 < jtanx> https://docs.google.com/a/beagleboard.org/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/pub
+14:47 < jtanx> huh
+14:47 < jtanx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gv3gWtoBWQ
+14:47 < jtanx> http://digital-drive.com/?p=146
+15:39 < sam_moore> I wonder if I can write a module that just uses /dev/adcX /dev/gpioX and /dev/pwmX
+15:40 < jtanx> that would make life simple
+15:40 < jtanx> but no
+15:42 < sam_moore> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x569.html
+15:42 < sam_moore> Probably out of date (2.6?)
+15:45 < sam_moore> Also rt.wiki.kernel.org - realtime linux supposedly gives you better timing accuracy, although it would possibly break with our setup involving nginx
+15:46 < sam_moore> Actually it looks like there are quite a few ways for it to not work
+15:48 < jtanx> I think trying to write a kernel module would cause more grief than it's worth
+15:50 < jtanx> http://saadahmad.ca/using-pwm-on-the-beaglebone-black/
+15:51 < jtanx> I have no idea what's been updated and what hasn't
+15:51 < jtanx> as in, do we have that fix in our kernel
+15:53 < sam_moore> I don't know
+15:54 < sam_moore> We only need 1 PWM though
+16:00 < sam_moore> Or at least, last we heard there was only one. Doesn't make the system very expandable though.
+19:07 < jtanx> you know what I'll try loading an Ubuntu image from rcn to my sd card
+19:08 < jtanx> instead of from armhf
+19:08 < jtanx> armhf.com*
+19:17 < jtanx> ah screw it
+19:17 < jtanx> i'll stick with debian (but do the same thing)
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+12:15 < jtanx> I think I know why we were having issues with pwm yesterday
+12:16 < jtanx> if you do this command
+12:16 < jtanx> echo bone_pwm_P8_13 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.8/slots
+12:16 < jtanx> you make it unavailable from /sys/class/pwm
+12:16 < jtanx> so in the run.sh script it was exporting all the pwm devices via the first method
+12:16 < jtanx> and then it becomes unavailable via sysfs
+12:17 < jtanx> anyway... I tried booting from the rcn image
+12:17 < jtanx> it comes with pwm enabled already
+12:17 < jtanx> and via that capemgr I got pwm to work
+12:17 < jtanx> I don't know what /sys/class/pwm/pwm0 corresponds to (which pin)
+12:19 < jtanx> the electronics teams' bbb wasn't done properly when we tried to upgrade the kernel
+12:19 < jtanx> probably something to do with the device tree stuff
+12:19 < jtanx> so I flashed it with the rcn image (which runs 3.8.13-bone26
+12:20 < jtanx> (demo image from here)
+12:20 < jtanx> elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
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+13:16 < jtanx> oh
+13:16 < jtanx> so it now works
+13:16 < jtanx> echo bone_pwm_P9_22 > slots
+13:16 < jtanx> if I do that line for pwm0
+13:26 < jtanx> oh right
+13:26 < jtanx> echo bone_pwm_P9_21 >slots
+13:26 < jtanx> for pwm1
+13:30 < jtanx> ahhhhhh
+13:30 < jtanx> if you comment out the line
+13:30 < jtanx> modprobe pwm_test
+13:30 < jtanx> from run.sh
+13:30 < jtanx> it works
+13:43 < jtanx> geeze kernel 3.8 has issues with usb hotplugging
+13:43 < jtanx> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/beagleboard/usb/beagleboard/8aalvyWwaig/MUXAPuMTSOYJ
+13:43 < jtanx> which explains why we're having issues with cameras
+13:43 < jtanx> (partly at least)
+13:47 < jtanx> and now pwms not working again
+13:48 < jtanx> via sysfs
+13:50 < jtanx> oh
+13:50 < jtanx> I know why
+13:51 < jtanx> you have to export it /sys/class/pwm
+13:51 < jtanx> first
+13:51 < jtanx> *before* you do stuff like echo bone_pwm_P9_21 >slots
+13:52 < jtanx> yep
+13:53 < jtanx> so the order is: echo 0/1 > /sys/class/pwm/export
+13:53 < jtanx> then do that other stuff
+13:57 < jtanx> egh
+13:57 < jtanx> finnicky
+13:57 < jtanx> ok I have to stop now
+16:04 < jtanx> well that was an interesting experience
+16:04 < jtanx> it's most reliable when you work directly with /sys/devices/ocp2.helper/PWM9_22*
+16:05 < jtanx> I think if you echo am33xx_pwm to the slots thing when it's already loaded
+16:05 < jtanx> weird shit can happen
+16:05 < jtanx> too
+16:07 < jtanx> setting the period via sysfs (eg /sys/class/pwm) didn't work most of the time either
+16:07 < jtanx> you could change duty but not period
+16:07 < jtanx> although I swear I had it working at one point
+16:07 < jtanx> via the other way I think it works ok
+16:08 < jtanx> oh yeah, and I was doing this using the demo image from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
+16:09 < jtanx> the electrical group's one has been reflashed with that version as well
+16:09 < jtanx> (for ours I worked off my sd card)
+16:10 < jtanx> that image also enables the ethernet-over-usb
+16:36 < jtanx> I think we have to be careful which pins we export/enable
+16:37 < jtanx> https://github.com/CircuitCo/BeagleBone-Black/blob/master/BBB_SRM.pdf?raw=true
+16:37 < jtanx> pages 80-82
+16:37 < jtanx> the pins have different meanings based on what mode they're in
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+18:05 < jtanx> ...so I brought the BBB home, even though I should be studying for 2402 :S
+18:05 < jtanx> the microphone came in today too
+18:19 < jtanx> ok
+18:19 < jtanx> so these documents: https://github.com/derekmolloy/boneDeviceTree/tree/master/docs
+18:19 < jtanx> describes what the pins are used for by default
+19:00 < sam_moore> Ah... they already got the microphone
+19:00 < sam_moore> Welp. Guess we're stuck with it.
+19:00 < sam_moore> So... we can record <50Hz sounds reliably, maybe
+19:00 < sam_moore> How useful
+19:01 < sam_moore> Have I been missing out on an email stream where the sensors team actually clears things with us?
+19:04 < jtanx> not that I know of
+19:04 < jtanx> haha
+19:04 < jtanx> in other news
+19:04 < jtanx> the sensors team ordered a pressure sensor with no mount
+19:04 < jtanx> adrian had a spat because it'd cost something like $200 to make the mount
+19:05 < jtanx> for a $10 part
+19:05 < jtanx> so he said, order it from online , I don't care if it's from overseas
+19:05 < sam_moore> Oh boy
+19:06 < sam_moore> If there's an issue with the camera and/or microphone they'll blame us
+19:06 < jtanx> yeah
+19:06 < jtanx> about that camera
+19:06 < sam_moore> Oh dear...
+19:06 < sam_moore> Go ahead?
+19:06 < jtanx> still couldn't get it to work today
+19:06 < sam_moore> God dammit
+19:06 < jtanx> although I didn't spend much time on it
+19:06 < jtanx> I got pwm to work
+19:06 < jtanx> mostly
+19:06 < sam_moore> I thought it might be something like adding the user to the "video" group
+19:06 < sam_moore> That's good!
+19:07 < sam_moore> What was happening?
+19:07 < jtanx> yeah, the problem is it doesn't show up at all (the camera)
+19:07 < sam_moore> Hmm
+19:07 < jtanx> and partly because 3.8 has an issue with usb hotplugging
+19:07 < sam_moore> Haha
+19:07 < jtanx> about pwm
+19:07 < jtanx> it seems that the sysfs method is not so reliable
+19:07 < jtanx> you can get it to work
+19:07 < jtanx> you have to export those first
+19:07 < jtanx> so echo 0 > /sys/class/pwm/export
+19:08 < jtanx> then (and only then)
+19:08 < jtanx> can you do
+19:08 < jtanx> that echo to the slots
+19:08 < jtanx> for those pins
+19:08 < jtanx> then it seems to be happy
+19:08 < jtanx> if you echo am33xx_pwm to the slots when it's already enabled
+19:08 < jtanx> that also screws things up
+19:08 < sam_moore> Ok
+19:09 < sam_moore> Thanks for working that out
+19:09 < jtanx> yeah
+19:09 < sam_moore> If you want to change from sysfs to the other method that's fine
+19:09 < sam_moore> But sysfs was much simpler to code
+19:09 < jtanx> should have spent that time studying for mech2402 though :P
+19:09 < sam_moore> Because you just sprintf an integer to the path
+19:09 < jtanx> yeah
+19:09 < jtanx> witht he other way it's all that dynamic path crap
+19:09 < sam_moore> Rather than keeping track of "bone_pwm_test_P9_22.15.arbitrary_string" crap
+19:09 < sam_moore> Exactly :P
+19:09 < jtanx> but
+19:10 < jtanx> you can enable pwm and analogue on boot
+19:10 < jtanx> if I can find the link
+19:10 < sam_moore> Sure, if that's easy
+19:10 < sam_moore> I figured if we put them in the /etc/init.d script that'd be fine too
+19:10 < sam_moore> Actually... maybe we should put it in the /etc/init.d script
+19:11 < jtanx> oh yeah
+19:11 < jtanx> and the demo image from that rcn image
+19:11 < sam_moore> Because if someone gets a different beaglebone then they'd have to reenable it on boot
+19:11 < jtanx> is better than screwing around with recompiling kernels
+19:11 < sam_moore> Can you give a link?
+19:11 < jtanx> I think it's the first image that you had originally
+19:11 < jtanx> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
+19:12 < jtanx> there's this script in /boot
+19:12 < sam_moore> Oh
+19:12 < jtanx> that allows you to copy the sd card to flash
+19:12 < jtanx> it also enables the usb over ethernet
+19:12 < sam_moore> Oh right, the image I downloaded before we used yours
+19:12 < sam_moore> Cool
+19:12 < jtanx> yeah
+19:12 < jtanx> I flashed electronics' one with that
+19:12 < sam_moore> Does PWM and stuff work on it?
+19:13 < jtanx> probably
+19:13 < jtanx> I was using the same image
+19:13 < jtanx> on ours
+19:13 < jtanx> you run this script and it copies exatly what's on the sd card to the internal flash
+19:13 < jtanx> resizes the partition as necessary
+19:13 < jtanx> http://digital-drive.com/?p=146
+19:13 < jtanx> that page shows how to enable on boot
+19:13 < jtanx> it's just a change to uEnv.txt in the boot partition
+19:18 < sam_moore> Good work
+19:19 < sam_moore> While I remember, for multiple logins and crap... can you just try to login as a local user account?
+19:19 < sam_moore> Then we could make a wrapper around adduser and deluser for the "administrator" account
+19:19 < jtanx> wow
+19:20 < jtanx> I don't know
+19:20 < sam_moore> I was just thinking
+19:20 < sam_moore> Linux has a user account system already
+19:20 < jtanx> yep, but is it a good idea to be making ~300 on a BBB?
+19:21 < sam_moore> Well... putting LDAP on the BBB probably won't be less intense
+19:21 < sam_moore> I know it's called "Lightweight"
+19:21 < sam_moore> But that's in comparison to "DAP"
+19:21 < jtanx> well to be perfectly honest, adrian is asking way too much
+19:21 < sam_moore> Which was designed in the 1980s by a telephone directory company and used the original OSI networking model
+19:21 < jtanx> you simply can't support a 300-odd user base on something like a BBB
+19:21 < sam_moore> Yeah
+19:22 < sam_moore> But maybe something like 30 users would work?
+19:22 < jtanx> yeah
+19:22 < jtanx> let's just keep it at that limit
+19:22 < sam_moore> Another thing regarding the crazy requirements...
+19:22 < sam_moore> If we have multiple Beaglebones running FastCGI
+19:23 < sam_moore> We can design our GUI so that it has links to the appropriate Beaglebone for each function
+19:23 < sam_moore> I don't think we actually need to do anything in nginx or the Beaglebone software
+19:24 < jtanx> hmm
+19:24 < sam_moore> At least in terms of displaying sensor data
+19:24 < sam_moore> For actuator control, we would need to introduce networking between individual beaglebones
+19:24 < jtanx> it actually depends on what he means by 'extensible' and/or distributed
+19:24 < jtanx> like
+19:24 < jtanx> you could say this BBB is for this experiement
+19:25 < jtanx> this other BBB is for this other experiment
+19:25 < sam_moore> But quite frankly you'd be mad to trust a distributed system with networking delays to coordinate control over hardware
+19:25 < jtanx> well yeah
+19:25 < sam_moore> Well at least something like this where we care about safety
+19:25 < sam_moore> But if you keep the actual control over hardware independent and on seperate devices
+19:25 < jtanx> but I mean
+19:26 < jtanx> wait
+19:26 < jtanx> if we interpret it as meaning
+19:26 < jtanx> that each BBB runs an instance of the software
+19:26 < jtanx> then they would still be separate
+19:26 < jtanx> as in each BBB controls one 'experiment'
+19:26 < jtanx> you customise each BBB based on the experiment that needs to be done
+19:26 < sam_moore> Yes, that would work
+19:26 < sam_moore> Yep
+19:26 < jtanx> then there's no interaction between BBBS
+19:27 < jtanx> the only thing is you have some sort of control at the front
+19:27 < jtanx> that determines which BBB you connect to
+19:27 < sam_moore> Yes, if there's interaction between BBBs it gets problematic
+19:27 < jtanx> yeah
+19:27 < sam_moore> Yes, you have one BBB which gives the user the "main menu" part of the GUI
+19:27 < jtanx> I reckon that's a stupid requirement to ask
+19:27 < jtanx> yeah
+19:27 < sam_moore> Then the others just have customised GUIs or whatever
+19:28 < jtanx> once you have to get them to talk to each other, you're then having to try and invent a whole new protocol
+19:28 < jtanx> for that
+19:28 < sam_moore> Yeah, and it depends on exactly what the hardware is
+19:29 < sam_moore> You might be able to hack it onto the web protocol (eg: BeagleBone #1 sends http://beaglebone2/api/actuators?id=X?set=Y)
+19:29 < sam_moore> But... let's not think about that
+19:30 < sam_moore> It's clearly beyond the scope of this project
+19:31 < sam_moore> So, after all that, I reckon if we use snoopy for ADC/GPIO/PWM and spike for the dilatometer then that would be cool (probably not actually necessary though)
+19:31 < jtanx> yeah
+19:32 < sam_moore> The dilatomter... it's going to cause headaches if Kieren really wants to "return" an array of points
+19:33 < sam_moore> If the goal is to provide the user with a demonstration of what the dilatometer is doing, then you can just edit an image
+19:33 < sam_moore> If the goal is to provide more data... I don't see the point really
+19:34 < sam_moore> It's going to be the same sort of distribution every time
+19:34 < sam_moore> Realistically all anyone would do is average it
+19:34 < sam_moore> Maybe take a standard deviation
+19:36 < jtanx> I really don't know why a dilatometer's even needed
+19:36 < sam_moore> Educational reasons? :P
+19:37 < jtanx> haha sure
+19:37 < sam_moore> Anyway, hopefully Callum will deal with the dilatometer stuff
+19:37 < sam_moore> The interferometer code is a good starting point
+19:39 < jtanx> Yeah
+19:39 < jtanx> hopefully
+19:42 < sam_moore> We should arrange some meetings next week
+19:42 < sam_moore> Also I'd like to see more of the other group members committing to git and talking in this channel
+19:45 < sam_moore> People are missing a lot of design decisions here :S
+19:45 < jtanx> Yeah
+19:51 < jtanx> Ok
+19:51 < jtanx> so I made a LUT from pin number on the board to GPIO pin number
+19:52 < jtanx> so if you wanted to use P8_13
+19:52 < jtanx> you can use the lut to figure out what gpio number that corresponds to
+19:53 < jtanx> we should probably restrict which pins can be used
+19:53 < jtanx> because quite a few are reserved
+19:53 < sam_moore> Sure
+19:53 < sam_moore> Remove the #defines in bbb_pin_defines.h ?
+19:54 < sam_moore> Don't export those pins in pin_test.c
+19:54 < sam_moore> It is only really for testing anyway
+19:54 < jtanx> yeah
+19:55 < sam_moore> Although... I predict if we leave it in the software, *someone* at some point will try and control hardware directly through it :P
+19:55 < sam_moore> For all the educational stuff it's nice though
+19:56 < sam_moore> Oh, we could have an image of the pinout diagram
+19:56 < sam_moore> And when someone clicks on a part of the image they get to control that pin
+19:57 < sam_moore> Anyway... I really should study for MECH2402 or I will fail it
+19:57 < sam_moore> So bye
+19:57 < jtanx> yeah
+19:57 < jtanx> bye
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+17:52 < jtanx> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73i/spruh73i.pdf p1986 (chapter 15) on pwm
+17:55 < jtanx> page 1996 on ePWM
+17:56 < jtanx> ahhhhh
+17:56 < jtanx> for ehrpwm0a/0b
+17:56 < jtanx> the frequency is linked
+18:08 < jtanx> ehrpwm is enhanced resolution pwm
+18:08 < jtanx> Implemented using the A signal path of PWM, that is, on the EPWMxA output. EPWMxB output has
+18:08 < jtanx> conventional PWM capabilities
+18:08 < jtanx> (p2053)
+19:06 < jtanx> if you want to make the pwm stuff not suck
+19:06 < jtanx> there's this file called pwm_test.c
+19:06 < jtanx> that's the driver
+19:59 < jtanx> for future ref: http://armsdr.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/archlinux-on-beaglebone-and-linux-38.html
+21:19 < jtanx_> urgh wow
+21:19 < jtanx_> ok, so I think pwm1/3/5 shouldn't be used to avoid period conflicts
+21:19 < jtanx_> (pwm0/1 is for channel A/B of one pwm device, 3/4 another, 5/6 another)
+21:20 < jtanx_> btw the correspondence between pwmX and pin number is:
+21:21 < jtanx_> P9_22, P9_21, P9_42. P9_14, P9_16, P8_19, P8_13, P9_28
+21:23 < jtanx_> pwm 2/7 correspond to eCAP devices
+21:24 < jtanx_> which I think are to capture PWM input
+21:24 < jtanx_> but they can also be used to generate PWM output, afaik
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+13:29 < jtanx> so, apparently if we don't order stuff that we need before the mid semester break (ie today), adrian just won't order it
+13:29 < jtanx> in other news, I think I've mostly sorted out pwm
+13:43 < jtanx> trying to standardise the pin code
+20:10 < jtanx_> lol
+20:10 < jtanx_> we have a file authored '14 years ago'
+20:10 < jtanx_> in git
+20:10 < jtanx_> talk about commitment
+21:47 < jtanx_> so on non-BBB platforms, I disabled the pin code
+21:47 < jtanx_> required some pretty dubious hacks to stop gcc from complaining
+21:48 < jtanx_> 1st attempt: define the functions to nothing
+21:48 < jtanx_> gcc complains about statements that do nothing
+21:48 < jtanx_> various combinations later on statements that do nothing, I move to making function stubs
+21:49 < jtanx_> shaft all the parameters to the stubs
+21:49 < jtanx_> to stop complaints about unused variables
+21:49 < jtanx_> (eg if you did int freq=1000; PWM_Set(...,freq) where the define for PWM_Set doesn't use freq
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+15:27 < Rowan> hey jeremy, did you upload the updated gui onto a github? i cant find it anywhere ??
+15:32 < sam_moore> Hi Rowan, I think it's in a few subdirectories
+15:33 < sam_moore> Ah, it's under "testing/MCTXWeb"
+15:33 < sam_moore> https://github.com/szmoore/MCTX3420/tree/master/testing/MCTXWeb/public_html
+15:37 < Rowan> thats the most uptodate version?
+15:39 < jtanx> um
+15:39 < jtanx> maybe
+15:39 < jtanx> I'll update with what I've got now
+15:42 < jtanx> ok
+15:42 < jtanx> updated
+15:42 < jtanx> pintest stuff still not complete
+15:42 < Rowan> are you guys busy?
+15:42 < Rowan> (will you be on here long?
+15:42 < jtanx> right now I'm working on that pintest page
+15:42 < jtanx> I'm here
+15:43 < Rowan> in g19?
+15:43 < jtanx> no
+15:43 < jtanx> I'm at home
+15:43 < Rowan> okay
+15:43 < sam_moore> jtanx: As in, the pin control code isn't working? I didn't think I screwed it up that badly?
+15:43 < jtanx> nah
+15:43 < jtanx> the pin control web page
+15:43 < sam_moore> Oh, nice
+15:43 < jtanx> just thought it'd be easier to have a webpage to control stff
+15:43 < sam_moore> Yes
+15:43 < jtanx> especially for electronics
+15:43 < sam_moore> Yes, definitely
+15:44 < Rowan> are we going to make the gui UWA based or make it our own ?
+15:44 < Rowan> adrian made it sound like he wanted it UWA based with the logo and stuff
+15:44 < jtanx> we probably have to add uwa logo
+15:44 < sam_moore> We should probably put the UWA logo on it
+15:44 < sam_moore> Yes
+15:45 < Rowan> so make it similar to the main UWA page or make it similar to LMS?
+15:46 < Rowan> does anyone know if IT are in this week?
+15:46 < jtanx> we need to make it Colourful
+15:47 < jtanx> I don't think it needs to be exactly like UWA page or LMS
+15:47 < jtanx> just something similar would be good
+15:47 < sam_moore> I think LMS is probably a bad example, lots of people hate it
+15:48 < jtanx> haha
+15:48 < jtanx> I think LMS is fine, although there seems to be alot of problems with it on the backend
+15:48 < Rowan> yeah but adrian loves it
+15:48 < Rowan> keeting uses it for all 5 units hes teaching
+15:49 < Rowan> has anyone heard from james about the gui, i think he uploaded something to dropbox
+15:49 < jtanx> really
+15:49 < jtanx> I haven't checked db
+15:49 < jtanx> why's he not using git
+15:50 < Rowan> i dont know. has he uploaded anything to it/
+15:50 < Rowan> he might be.
+15:50 < Rowan> sometime last week he said he made up a gui todo list type thing but i dont know where he put it
+15:50 < sam_moore> It doesn't look like there is anything in dropbox
+15:50 < jtanx> right
+15:51 < Rowan> im trying to get in contact with him but i might just move on. so we want something somewhat related to lms?
+15:51 < Rowan> or no?
+15:52 < sam_moore> I think so, although it primarily needs to be able to control experiments
+15:52 < sam_moore> For the educational stuff, you could use a wiki style
+15:53 < sam_moore> https://github.com/szmoore/MCTX3420/wiki
+15:54 < Rowan> wiki isnt graphical enough
+15:54 < sam_moore> Yeah, probably
+15:54 < Rowan> its hard to say what adrian wants....
+15:54 < sam_moore> It looks like James has committed something to his own fork of the repository
+15:55 < jtanx> ok
+15:55 < sam_moore> https://github.com/firefields/MCTX3420/commit/e6a8120fdf1cef6d73421bd2b1edb1c45a6f3960
+15:55 < sam_moore> I can pull that into the main fork
+15:55 < sam_moore> Hopefully
+15:55 < jtanx> I think that may actually be
+15:56 < jtanx> sorry
+15:56 < jtanx> my computer decided to freeze at that instant
+15:57 < jtanx> but yeah that's the stuff
+15:57 < jtanx> he worked on
+15:57 < sam_moore> Oh wow... there are a *lot* of files
+15:57 < jtanx> before mine
+15:57 < jtanx> it's all the jquery ui stuff
+15:57 < sam_moore> jquery-ui
+15:57 < sam_moore> Yes
+15:57 < jtanx> wich I told him to get rid off
+15:57 < sam_moore> Dammit I just merged it :S
+15:57 < jtanx> but yeah, he hasn't committed anything since
+15:58 < jtanx> (that commit was done with me at the last meeting)
+15:58 < Rowan> so are we deciding on jeremys version it seems alot more complete
+15:59 < sam_moore> Yes, stick with Jeremy's and build on it
+15:59 < Rowan> sweet :)
+16:46 < Rowan> what was the password and username ?
+16:48 < jtanx> there's none
+16:48 < jtanx> if you haven't set up the htpasswd thing
+16:48 < jtanx> (ie it doesn't work)
+16:48 < jtanx> still not sure how to implement it either
+16:48 < jtanx> now that adrian wants it scalable to '300 students'
+16:53 < jtanx> I need another network switch...
+16:53 < Rowan> okay.
+16:53 < Rowan> i might make up a cover page, which links to the one we have after you log in
+16:54 < Rowan> like this but simpler: http://www.futureeffect.com.au/
+16:54 < Rowan> with a scrolling picture thing and stuff
+16:55 < MctxBot> I live again...
+16:55 < Rowan> whos mctxbot again?
+16:56 < jtanx> :P
+16:56 < jtanx> It does nothing
+16:56 < Rowan> its a cover page
+16:56 < Rowan> its what adrian said
+16:56 < jtanx> It connects whenever mctx.us.to is running
+16:57 < Rowan> what what
+16:57 < Rowan> ?
+16:58 -!- MctxBot changed the topic of #mctxuwa_softdev to: MCTX3420 - Software and co.
+16:59 < jtanx> mctxbot is no one, it's the server I operate
+17:02 < Rowan> hahahahah
+17:02 < Rowan> oh.
+17:03 < Rowan> ive put the uwa logo onto the gui
+17:09 < sam_moore> I'm looking at the login stuff
+17:10 < sam_moore> So... we probably don't want to use shell accounts, since once you have shell access you can do all sorts of things that are completely unrelated to this educational stuff
+17:10 < Rowan> could someone check ive forked it right
+17:10 < sam_moore> I think storing our own file in the same format as /etc/shadow is probably ok
+17:11 < Rowan> the gui.html & style.css
+17:12 < sam_moore> It looks like you've made a new branch for each of the files?
+17:12 < Rowan> i think so
+17:12 < Rowan> do you need to update the main file and i request it to you
+17:13 < Rowan> just so everything is uptodate and and organised
+17:13 < sam_moore> You submitted a pull request, that's fine
+17:13 < sam_moore> Yep
+17:13 < Rowan> both html and css files
+17:13 < sam_moore> You should probably keep edits in the "master" branch, or at least don't make a seperate branch for each file
+17:14 < sam_moore> (That way you only have to do one pull request for all of them, not one per file)
+17:14 < Rowan> how do i do that :|
+17:14 < sam_moore> Are you using a GUI or the command line?
+17:15 < Rowan> gui
+17:15 < jtanx> I think you were working on an old version
+17:15 < jtanx> before I pushed the new one
+17:15 < sam_moore> Hmm
+17:15 < jtanx> so some stuff got deleted
+17:15 < Rowan> S***
+17:15 < jtanx> https://github.com/szmoore/MCTX3420/commit/f43006da69d629d0c5421506c8a56d517b94924e
+17:15 < jtanx> it's ok
+17:16 < sam_moore> jtanx: It should have complained if there was a conflict?
+17:16 < jtanx> I dunno
+17:16 < Rowan> i only added 1 line to the css file anyways
+17:16 < jtanx> yeah
+17:16 < jtanx> so the form.controls, div.centre .bold etc
+17:16 < jtanx> stuff was added later
+17:18 < Rowan> when im home ill try put a cover page with pictures and the login page on it and link the login page to the gui we have atm.
+17:18 < Rowan> any constructive critism ?
+17:19 < Rowan> also ill try be on irc for the rest of the sem to keep up todate with you guys :)
+17:21 < sam_moore> The future effect looks cool
+17:21 < sam_moore> I guess we need to pick some relevant images though
+17:21 < Rowan> yeah ill talk to some other teams and see if they have any cool pics, like the can were testing, the cad model ect
+17:22 < Rowan> ttyl
+17:22 < jtanx> has this been pushed to your (sam's) repo?
+17:22 < sam_moore> I accepted a pull request a while ago
+17:22 < sam_moore> But I noticed Rowan has two branches in his fork; there's one file changed in each branch
+17:23 < jtanx> oh ok
+17:23 < jtanx> because I don't see any change except for some css stuff in your repo
+17:24 < sam_moore> Rowan: I'll try and get in earlier tomorrow to help with the "branching" stuff in git
+17:25 < sam_moore> It looks like your git GUI might have some wierd settings
+17:28 < MctxBot> damn ircnet
+17:29 < MctxBot> 'Too many user connections (local))'
+17:29 < MctxBot> so i'll steal mctxbot for now
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+17:43 < jtanx> finally
+17:52 < sam_moore> So, we can implement our own login system fairly easily, I'm not sure if we want to or not, although I'm leaning towards just doing it
+17:53 < sam_moore> It wouldn'
+17:54 < sam_moore> t necessarily be the best solution in terms of flexibility
+17:54 < sam_moore> But it's probably a hell of a lot more "lightweight" than LDAP
+17:55 < sam_moore> Using LDAP you'd have to dedicate processes just to being a login server
+17:56 < sam_moore> So... we provide some wrappers around a text file of usernames and password salts, and allow "admin" to use wrappers that change the files
+17:57 < sam_moore> ... I suppose we can have a "forgot password" functionality
+17:57 < sam_moore> Though it is certainly a pain
+17:59 < sam_moore> I feel like we should have "forgot password" but make it ridiculously painful to use, for revenge
+17:59 < sam_moore> ...errr I mean security reasons
+17:59 < sam_moore> Did I say "revenge?"
+18:00 < sam_moore> "Forgot password" should activate one of the ADC channels and record the average over 10s
+18:01 < sam_moore> And you have to enter what it was
+18:01 < sam_moore> No wait, any student could do that
+18:01 < sam_moore> Hmmm
+18:03 < sam_moore> "Your password has been sent via Australia Post to your registered address"
+18:04 < jtanx> hahaha
+18:04 < jtanx> evil
+18:04 < jtanx> I was kinda hoping there was some ready made
+18:04 < jtanx> gateway software
+18:05 < jtanx> like you know the SSO services that uwa uses
+18:05 < sam_moore> Yeah, that's an LDAP gateway
+18:05 < jtanx> yeah but like a simplified version
+18:05 < sam_moore> Haha
+18:05 < jtanx> that just uses an sql database or something
+18:05 < jtanx> slap it on and we're done
+18:06 < sam_moore> Yeah I guess we should look for that
+18:06 < sam_moore> Do we allow users to change their password?
+18:06 < sam_moore> Ooh
+18:06 < sam_moore> Our system is on the UWA network...
+18:06 < sam_moore> Could we just wrap to UWA's LDAP servers?
+18:06 < sam_moore> And... um...
+18:07 < jtanx> do they trust us that much?
+18:07 < sam_moore> They can't really stop us
+18:07 < sam_moore> You can bind to the LDAP servers already
+18:07 < sam_moore> It's not like they can...
+18:07 < jtanx> really?
+18:07 < sam_moore> Put in a login or something
+18:07 < sam_moore> That you have to go through first
+18:07 < jtanx> well then
+18:07 < sam_moore> :P
+18:08 < sam_moore> Hang on, there's some horribly verbose way to test it in a shell
+18:08 < jtanx> my god why is it so hard to vertically align content in css
+18:14 < sam_moore> ldapsearch -x -D cn=20503628,ou=Students,ou=Users,ou=UWA,dc=uwads,dc=uwa,dc=edu,dc=au -h ldap.pheme.uwa.edu.au -W -v -b cn=20503628,ou=Students,ou=Users,ou=UWA,dc=uwads,dc=uwa,dc=edu,dc=au
+18:14 < sam_moore> Replace 20503628 with your own student number
+18:14 < sam_moore> So
+18:14 < sam_moore> Basically we can wrap to ldapsearch using their username and password
+18:14 < jtanx> I wonder what adrian has to say about that
+18:15 < sam_moore> Well, obviously he doesn't want just *any* student being able to access it :S
+18:15 < sam_moore> But...
+18:15 < sam_moore> We could have a plain text file of students
+18:15 < sam_moore> That he can change
+18:15 < sam_moore> Also...
+18:16 < sam_moore> UWA IT might have a problem
+18:16 < sam_moore> It would be ridiculously easy to put a back door in to steal student's passwords :S
+18:16 < jtanx> yeah
+18:16 < sam_moore> But... I guess people would just use their pheme password anyway
+18:17 < sam_moore> I mean, I would
+18:18 < sam_moore> http://xkcd.com/792/
+18:18 < sam_moore> I reckon we implement the system to bind to UWA's ldap servers, obviously don't do anything unethical
+18:19 < jtanx> :P
+18:19 < jtanx> what about jellyfish, calmaeth
+18:19 < sam_moore> And warn Adrian that if he lets random students work on this they can potentially do unethical things
+18:19 < sam_moore> What do they use for login?
+18:20 < jtanx> they roll their own I think
+18:20 < jtanx> but obviously there's some way to import users
+18:20 < sam_moore> Hmm
+18:20 < sam_moore> I like the idea of using UWA's pheme server though
+18:21 < sam_moore> Just add a list of allowed student numbers in front of it
+18:21 < sam_moore> Actually, staff as well
+18:21 < jtanx> yeah true
+18:21 < sam_moore> No wait
+18:22 < sam_moore> That could end in the staff member accidentally deleting themselves
+18:22 < sam_moore> Um...
+18:22 < sam_moore> Just hard code in Adrian's staff number as always allowed :P
+18:22 < sam_moore> Ergh, so many annoying things that have nothing to do with blowing up a pressure vessel -_-0
+18:23 < sam_moore> Ok, I'll try do some more on the login tomorrow
+18:23 < jtanx> ok cool
+18:23 < jtanx> I'll try to come in early tomorrow too
+18:23 < jtanx> though I really should be working on my other projects too...
+18:24 < sam_moore> Well, we're doing alright on the list of things Todo
+18:24 < sam_moore> Not sure how well we're doing by Adrian's standards
+18:24 < sam_moore> Oh, all that GUI stuff isn't getting done very afst
+18:24 < sam_moore> *fast
+18:24 < jtanx> yeah
+18:25 < sam_moore> Also haven't heard anything about image processing from Callum
+18:25 < jtanx> I wonder if james has done anything at all
+18:25 < sam_moore> Oh well... I'll do logins this week
+18:25 < jtanx> Adrian doesn't seem to like how most of the groups are going
+18:26 < sam_moore> Well, not much has happened with other groups I suppose
+18:26 < sam_moore> We've written a lot of software, but it's all low level
+18:26 < jtanx> I also think he underappreciates the effort required for the software though
+18:27 < sam_moore> I think so
+18:27 < sam_moore> Though we really should have more GUI stuff done
+18:28 < jtanx> yeah
+18:28 < jtanx> we really do need to make progress on that
+19:12 < jtanx> firebug slows down my computer so much
+19:22 < jtanx> ok I just updated the gui stuff a bit
+19:22 < jtanx> ...now back to testing if this pin test html page works
+19:32 < jtanx> well hey
+19:32 < jtanx> it works
+19:33 < jtanx> Should probably do reference counting on the export/unexport stuff though
+19:36 < jtanx> actually maybe not
+19:46 < sam_moore> I think DAP (which is what LDAP was based on) wasn't actually meant to be a login system when they designed it :P
+19:46 < sam_moore> But it's used for that more than anything else
+19:46 < sam_moore> Essentially it was supposed to be like an electronic telephone directory
+19:47 < sam_moore> Then they realised that it was a bad idea for any random person to be able to edit stuff, so authentication got added to it
+19:47 < sam_moore> And now it's pretty much just used for authentication
+19:48 < sam_moore> There seems to be a sane C library for it, so if we just implement a client and rely on the good IT staff at UWA to keep pheme working...
+19:49 < sam_moore> (Does UWA even still hire IT staff?)
+19:49 < sam_moore> (Someone told me they "integrated" the librarians into IT)
+19:50 < sam_moore> We'll need to put our login page under HTTPS at some point
+19:52 < jtanx> I was just thinking
+19:53 < jtanx> put the whole damn thing under ssl
+19:53 < jtanx> and be done with it
+19:54 < jtanx> hmm interesting
+19:54 < jtanx> if you query the adc on different channels
+19:55 < jtanx> and you query too fast
+19:55 < jtanx> it'll spit back that it's temporarily unavailable
+19:55 < jtanx> probably can't change the mux that fast?
+19:56 < sam_moore> Maybe
+19:56 < sam_moore> It's kind of ironic that the ADC hardware has a multiplexer to give the extra channels
+19:57 < sam_moore> And then we are sticking another multiplexer on that
+19:57 < jtanx> :P
+19:57 < sam_moore> But I suppose if it means we don't need 4 of the same amplifier that's nice
+20:03 < jtanx> ok well the pintest page works good enough
+20:04 < jtanx> some race conditions
+20:04 < jtanx> but eh
+20:04 < jtanx> who cares
+20:04 < jtanx> ohhh I know what's slowing down the bb
+20:04 < jtanx> bbb*
+20:04 < jtanx> the crazy high sampling rate
+20:04 < jtanx> the test files also constantly eat up all the space on my 1gb sd card
+20:06 < jtanx> ..or maybe not
+20:57 < sam_moore> It turns out UWA uses LDAP to keep track of what units you're enrolled in
+20:57 < sam_moore> That's interesting...
+20:58 < sam_moore> Potentially we could restrict access to people enrolled in MXTC3420
+20:58 < sam_moore> That would mess with the new courses :P
+20:59 < sam_moore> And it appears you can connect to ldap.pheme.uwa.edu.au from UWA's network
+20:59 < sam_moore> But... it also appears to use the unsecured LDAP port?
+20:59 < sam_moore> Surely not
+20:59 < jtanx> what
+21:00 < sam_moore> Or maybe (hopefully) they are doing TLS
+21:00 < sam_moore> http://wiki.wireshark.org/LDAP
+21:00 < jtanx> one would hope that there's some sort of encryption going on
+21:00 < sam_moore> Well, there's HTTPS on the SSO page
+21:01 < sam_moore> But if there isn't actually encryption on the ldap connection
+21:01 < sam_moore> You could just plug into a switch and do some packet sniffing and get everyone's passwords :O
+21:01 < jtanx> haha wow
+21:02 < sam_moore> I think they might be using TLS, because my test program doesn't work
+21:07 < sam_moore> ... Or I'm just deleting one more character than I should be in the password -_
+21:11 < sam_moore> Test program works now
+21:11 < sam_moore> Either the ldap library kindly handles TLS for you automagically, or they aren't using it
+21:12 < jtanx> :S
+21:12 < jtanx> if you used wireshark wouldn't it show whether or not it's encrypted
+21:16 < sam_moore> I've just run it through wireshark
+21:16 < sam_moore> It's not encrypted
+21:17 < sam_moore> My password for pheme appears plain as day
+21:17 < jtanx> well that sounds dodgy as hell
+21:18 < sam_moore> Well, you do have to have root access to a machine that can pick up the traffic
+21:18 < sam_moore> But yes, that sounds dodgy
+21:18 < sam_moore> Hang, on a minute
+21:18 < sam_moore> What about Unifi
+21:19 < sam_moore> Well...
+21:19 < sam_moore> I think this should be filed under "Not our problem"
+21:20 < jtanx> ._.
+21:21 < sam_moore> Surely there's some kind of handshake encryption on Unifi though
+21:22 < sam_moore> Anyway, I have a test function that returns true if you can login to pheme, so if we integrate that with our code and maybe modify it to look at enrolled units, that's a good start
+21:23 < sam_moore> Actually I also need to make it work without using deprecated functions
+21:25 < sam_moore> At least the library maintainers still keep the deprecated functions, but it's annoying when something that works perfectly fine and has tonnes of documentation is replaced by something that has almost no documentation
+21:25 < sam_moore> Almost like the new UWA courses...
+21:25 < jtanx> hahaha
+21:25 < jtanx> what's worse is where the new function is a PITA to use by design
+21:26 < sam_moore> Yes
+21:27 < sam_moore> The "deprecated" version has "LDAP * ld = ldap_init(host, port); ldap_set_options(ld, LDAP_OPT_PROTOCOL_VERSION, &version); and ldap_bind_s(ld, dn, password, authentication_method);"
+21:27 < sam_moore> That makes perfect sense to me
+21:27 < sam_moore> No doubt the new and improved version takes 100x as much code
+21:28 < sam_moore> Although admittedly I was confused as to why the ldap_set_options required a pointer to the integer instead of just passing the integer
+21:28 < sam_moore> It probably modifies it in some cases though
+21:31 < jtanx> which package installs ldap
+21:31 < sam_moore> libldap2-dev
+21:31 < jtanx> thanks
+21:31 < sam_moore> For development libraries
+21:32 < sam_moore> ldap-utils for tools like ldapsearch
+21:32 < sam_moore> At the moment I can only find documentation for libldap-dev (the deprecated stuff)
+21:32 < sam_moore> To get it to work, you just put a #define LDAP_DEPRECATED 1 before the #include <ldap.h>
+21:33 < jtanx> http://man.devl.cz/deb/l/libldap2-dev ?
+21:33 < sam_moore> Oh, well there you go
+21:33 < sam_moore> Thanks
+21:34 < sam_moore> No wait, it has all those functions the compiler was complaining about
+21:34 < sam_moore> ?
+21:34 < jtanx> ok then
+21:34 < sam_moore> Except there's this fsfuncLDAP instead of LDAP
+21:36 < sam_moore> ...
+21:36 < jtanx> oh that documentaiton is so terrible: http://www.openldap.org/doc/
+21:37 < jtanx> the html version is at least
+21:37 < sam_moore> Yeah
+21:38 < sam_moore> Um... given that the only documentation for libldap2 documents the "deprecated" functions, I'm going to continue using those functions
+21:39 < sam_moore> Installing libldap2-dev installed all those man pages
+21:39 < jtanx> yep
+21:39 < jtanx> >.>
+21:41 < jtanx> ldap_init(3) was obsoleted by ldap_initialize(3)
+21:41 < jtanx> http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-bugs/200509/msg00151.html
+21:42 < sam_moore> Seriously
+21:43 < sam_moore> Please tell me they changed more than just the name...
+21:44 < sam_moore> Oh great, they did, now I need to work out how to use it
+21:44 < jtanx> int ldap_initialize(ldp, uri)
+21:44 < jtanx> LDAP **ldp;
+21:44 < jtanx> char *uri;
+21:44 < jtanx> wow, that's old school way of specifying the type of the input arguments
+21:45 < jtanx> I've only seen that style once elsewhere
+21:45 < jtanx> In code from the ~1990s
+21:45 < sam_moore> LDAP was invented in the 80s
+21:45 < sam_moore> So that would make sense
+21:45 < jtanx> you'd think they'd update the manpages by now though
+21:46 < sam_moore> They don't even note in the man page that ldap_init is depreated
+21:46 < jtanx> yeah
+21:46 < jtanx> the joys of poor documentation
+21:46 < sam_moore> At least the function names make sense
+21:46 < sam_moore> initialize
+21:47 < sam_moore> Obvious what that does
+21:47 < sam_moore> ... I think the "uri" includes the port
+21:47 < sam_moore> Like "ldap://server" or "ldaps://server"
+21:47 < jtanx> yep
+21:48 < jtanx> the whole ldap_init vs ldap_initialize reminds me of fopen vs fopen_s on windows
+21:48 < sam_moore> That's going to screw with anyone that puts their ldap server on a non-standard port for security-by-obscurity reasons
+21:48 < jtanx> couldn't you do
+21:48 < jtanx> ldap://server:port
+21:48 < sam_moore> Oh
+21:48 < sam_moore> Probably
+21:56 < sam_moore> Sigh... they deprecated ldap_bind and made ldap_simple_bind and then at some point that got deprecated too
+21:57 < sam_moore> Now it's ldap_sasl_bind_s
+21:57 < jtanx> what's with that naming convention
+21:57 < sam_moore> sasl stands for something
+21:57 < jtanx> _s for secure
+21:57 < jtanx> yey
+21:57 < sam_moore> The LDAP expert at UCC was basically like "It's terrible, no one ever uses it, but the LDAP standards wanted to put it in, so it's there"
+21:57 < sam_moore> And that's all I know
+21:58 < jtanx> gee ok
+21:59 < sam_moore> But as opposed to ldap_simple_bind(ld, dn, password)
+21:59 < sam_moore> You have something like 10 arguments?
+21:59 < sam_moore> Please let half of them be NULL...
+22:12 < jtanx> that's all for today
+22:12 < jtanx> bye
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+23:19 < sam_moore> Hi Rowan
+23:19 < Rowan> hello
+23:19 < sam_moore> I'm working on getting logins with UWA's pheme system
+23:19 < sam_moore> So it will be kind of like LMS
+23:24 < Rowan> are we trying to keep the gui to only a few pages or can we use several.
+23:25 < Rowan> like a cover page(a link to just the stream, a link to dump data and a login). then the login page goes to the experiment page
+23:26 < sam_moore> I think several pages
+23:26 < sam_moore> Probably even one page per sensor?
+23:26 < Rowan> sweet, i shall enjoy this gui :)
+23:41 < sam_moore> See you tomorrow
+23:47 < Rowan> yep
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+11:17 < sam_moore> Hi Rowan, do you have anything we should put in the report?
+11:59 < Rowan> ill have the outline of all the pages i wanted on git this afternoon
+12:05 < sam_moore> Ok
+13:33 < Rowan> so far i have a cover page which links to a login page which links to the index page. but theres no styles for them and no security on the login
+14:09 < Rowan> im not sure the files ive added went into sams git. im pretty sure they all forked over to mine. :S
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+13:40 < sam_moore> Another option for the login system (a really terrible option that I don't condone on any real world system, but it might just get us marks)
+13:40 < sam_moore> Is to provide some cgi scripts that wrap around "useradd" "userdel" and "usermod"
+13:40 < sam_moore> And have our "Login" function check /etc/shadow
+13:41 < sam_moore> I emailed UWA IT help desk about Pheme anyway
+13:41 < sam_moore> I wonder what they'll make of it...
+13:51 < jtanx> hehe
+13:52 < sam_moore> The more I think about it, the more I think LDAP is the way you'd do this properly though
+13:52 < sam_moore> It basically is a text file
+13:53 < jtanx> yeah
+13:53 < sam_moore> If you started with a text file, you'd quickly find yourself reinventing the wheel and probably converging with what LDAP already does
+13:53 < jtanx> I guess the real problem is that rolling our own solution is not really feasible in the time left, especially if you want to ensure it's at least ok in terms of security
+13:57 < sam_moore> Yes
+14:08 < sam_moore> For reference: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-ldap-server-and-its-clients/
+14:09 < sam_moore> And http://mindref.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/openldap-create-user.html
+14:09 < sam_moore> (How to set up our own LDAP server)
+14:11 < jtanx> slapd
+14:12 < jtanx> what a weird choice of a name
+14:12 < sam_moore> Haha
+14:15 < jtanx> oh
+14:15 < jtanx> if you set up an ldap server
+14:15 < jtanx> http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
+14:15 < jtanx> get them to manage the ldap database themselves
+14:15 < jtanx> :P
+14:15 < jtanx> to add or remove users
+14:22 < sam_moore> Yeah, that's kind of how ldap was designed
+14:22 < sam_moore> Technically I can probably modify my UWA "pheme" password from a command line using ldappasswd
+14:22 < sam_moore> Unless they use kerberos
+14:23 < sam_moore> (We don't want to start going into kerberos...)
+14:54 < sam_moore> Welp, I've put an LDAP server on my laptop for testing purposes
+14:54 < sam_moore> With an account "snoopy"
+14:55 < sam_moore> Seems to work... now to test it with our software
+14:55 < sam_moore> Hey, maybe we could just put an LDAP server on the BeagleBone and get a GUI LDAP editor
+14:56 < sam_moore> Oh right, you suggested that at 14:15
+14:56 < sam_moore> I like it though
+14:58 < jtanx> yah not too bad
+14:58 < jtanx> say we had an ldap server on the bbb
+14:59 < jtanx> we could even write the password manager in a different language
+14:59 < jtanx> if we wanted to make one
+14:59 < sam_moore> Yeah, exactly
+14:59 < jtanx> because it only has to interact with the ldap database
+14:59 < sam_moore> We shouldn't do that in the FastCGI program
+14:59 < jtanx> yup
+15:00 < sam_moore> I sent an email about it to everyone, suggesting PHP or python CGI to wrap around LDAP
+15:01 < sam_moore> I wonder when this system is going to start being put together though
+15:02 < sam_moore> We'll end up with a server and no hardware to control
+15:02 < jtanx> Looks like it
+15:02 < sam_moore> Those images Justin sent us look nice
+15:02 < jtanx> Yeah they look quite good
+15:07 < sam_moore> With the FastCGI program
+15:07 < sam_moore> Do you think it's better to pass options through the command line
+15:07 < sam_moore> Or have a bunch of #defines that need to get configured?
+15:08 < sam_moore> eg: To specify the LDAP server
+15:08 < sam_moore> (At the moment it's just a #define)
+15:08 < jtanx> hmm
+15:08 < jtanx> It's probably better to pass as a command line
+15:09 < sam_moore> Ok
+15:09 < jtanx> unless we're absolutely sure that the ldap address is fixed
+15:10 < sam_moore> What we can do is write a bash script that sets a bunch of variables
+15:10 < sam_moore> Then run.sh sources that and passes them all as arguments
+15:10 < jtanx> sounds good
+15:35 < sam_moore> What about things like the path to the GPIO and ADC? I figure they should stay as #defines
+15:35 < sam_moore> Since they probably won't be changing
+15:36 < sam_moore> At least not until the next BeagleBone kernel comes out
+15:36 < jtanx> hehe
+15:36 < jtanx> yeah that should stay as defins
+15:36 < jtanx> if the path does change
+15:36 < jtanx> then that probably warrants a recompile anyway since stuff may have changed with how you access it
+15:36 < sam_moore> Ok, should I put all the defines that you might want to adjust on a recompile in the same place?
+15:37 < sam_moore> common.h?
+15:37 < jtanx> what defines do we have right now
+15:37 < jtanx> that may change
+15:39 < sam_moore> Nothing major, I just want it to be flexible
+15:39 < jtanx> hmm
+15:39 < jtanx> even if you did that
+15:39 < jtanx> if you needed to change the define
+15:39 < jtanx> you'd probably be looking at changing hte code anyway
+15:40 < sam_moore> Sure, but that doesn't mean you can't put the defines in an easy to find place
+15:40 < sam_moore> For example, say someone wants to recompile this for a RPi
+15:40 < jtanx> But for stuff like 'where's the pwm path'
+15:40 < sam_moore> Given the trouble we had with pwm path confusion
+15:41 < jtanx> I'd look in the header relevant to pin control
+15:41 < sam_moore> I think it's helpful to make it easy for someone to see what we're doing
+15:41 < sam_moore> I suppose
+15:42 < jtanx> ok I guess it doesn't matter if it goes in common.h or not
+15:42 < sam_moore> Yeah, but I think I agree with you now :P
+15:42 < jtanx> ( I guess this is what ./configure and configure.h are for :P )
+15:51 < sam_moore> Sigh...
+15:51 < sam_moore> I put in a #warning to generate a warning if you tried to compile the software on something that isn't the BeagleBone
+15:51 < sam_moore> ...
+15:51 < sam_moore> And the use of #warning caused a warning
+15:52 < sam_moore> warning: #warning is a GCC extension [enabled by default]
+16:05 < jtanx> :p
+16:08 < jtanx> because of the -pedantic flag
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+10:45 < jtanx> finally
+12:09 < MctxBot> guh
+12:09 < MctxBot> crappy laptop keeps crashing
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+12:28 < jtanx> about login_handler
+12:28 < jtanx> The result from FCGI_ParseRequest
+12:28 < jtanx> for string types
+12:28 < jtanx> should be treated as const char*
+12:29 < jtanx> I guess it really doesn't matter, unless it returns an empty string
+12:29 < jtanx> it's also not true that user/pass would be of max length BUFSIZ
+12:30 < jtanx> because of how it was defined, params has a max length of BUFSIZ
+12:30 < jtanx> but user/pass may be anywhere in that string
+12:30 < jtanx> so their max length < BUFSIZ
+12:30 < jtanx> so the bounds check makes no sense
+12:31 < jtanx> (sure, it prevents an infinite loop, but by that stage, you could be writing to locations where you don't want to anyway)
+12:31 < jtanx> besides, FCGI_ParseRequest should guarantee that they're null terminated
+12:38 < jtanx> also, whitespace (>.< :P)
+12:38 < sam_moore> True, but this is the whole "defensive" programming thing where you assume that some future unspecified developer is going to do something stupid and you attempt to minimise the damage they can cause :P
+12:38 < jtanx> while (*user && isspace(*user)) user++;
+12:38 < jtanx> char *ptr = user;
+12:38 < jtanx> while (*ptr && isalnum(*ptr)) ptr++;
+12:38 < jtanx> *ptr = 0;
+12:39 < jtanx> well
+12:39 < jtanx> by that stage you're screwed anyway
+12:39 < jtanx> not much point doing something that doesn't make sense too
+12:39 < sam_moore> You're more screwed if your program is writing to undefined locations in an infinite loop than if it's writing to a finite number of undefined locations
+12:39 < jtanx> still
+12:39 < jtanx> at least if it's infinite
+12:39 < jtanx> you'll know it crashes
+12:40 < jtanx> actually that's hardly the case
+12:40 < jtanx> because it will come across a zero at some point
+12:40 < jtanx> more often than not
+12:40 < jtanx> but anyway...
+12:40 < jtanx> does valgrind pick that up?
+12:41 < sam_moore> Hah
+12:41 < jtanx> and to be honest, by adding the BUFSIZ check, that's implying their max length when it's actually not
+12:41 < jtanx> which may be confusing in itself
+12:41 < sam_moore> The operating system should pick up a segfault on the first invalid write anyway
+12:41 < jtanx> unless
+12:41 < jtanx> the following region is writeable too
+12:42 < jtanx> eg you have a struct, members follow each other
+12:43 < sam_moore> If you really want to remove the bounds check go ahead
+12:43 < sam_moore> Either way that code does what it's meant to
+12:43 < jtanx> ok, well yeah
+12:44 < jtanx> hmm
+12:44 < jtanx> problem
+12:44 < jtanx> anyone can logout the currently logged in user
+12:44 < jtanx> oh wait
+12:45 < jtanx> sorry
+12:48 < sam_moore> My network is being terrible so I can't say much
+12:48 < sam_moore> One last argument in favour of the BUFSIZ check... if someone modifies the function that "should" be guaranteed to null terminate the string and doesn't... then you fall into an infinite loop
+12:49 < jtanx> well that's a case of too bad
+12:49 < jtanx> if it infinite loops
+12:49 < jtanx> then it shows you've done something wrong, so it'd be a good case to check what you've done
+12:50 < jtanx> if you hide that with a BUFSIZ check, you may not know there's a problem until later down the track
+12:50 < sam_moore> If you port the code to run in a kernel module or something, it's a case of instead of getting a seg fault, you suddenly wipe out all your memory
+12:50 < jtanx> with a kernel module, you'd be testing it pretty rigorously in a vm, i would think :P
+12:51 < sam_moore> Yeah, but it pays not to assume things about the sanity of other programmers
+12:51 < sam_moore> That's why all that extremely irritating "public, private" stuff is used
+12:52 < jtanx> to be honest, I'd rather have it fail fast than come up with weird issues that may/may not happen all the time
+12:52 < sam_moore> Anyway, just remove the bounds check, this is getting ridiciluos
+13:31 < jtanx> hmmm
+13:31 < jtanx> if ($http_cookie ~* "id=([^;] +)(?:;|$)" ) {
+13:31 < jtanx> set $id $1;
+13:31 < jtanx> }
+13:32 < jtanx> right now, only the control key can be sent as the one and only cookie
+13:38 < jtanx> we could get nginx to extract the desired cookie
+14:33 < jtanx> actually nah
+21:17 < jtanx> herp derp
+21:17 < jtanx> was idling in mctxuwa
+21:17 < jtanx> not mctxuwa_softdev
+21:40 < jtanx> anyway...
+21:40 < jtanx> a (the) login/logout functionality is almost done for the gui
+21:40 < jtanx> to make it work, I need to add the identify module to the modules that doesn't need login
+21:41 < jtanx> also, maybe fields to indicate if logged in or not when ident is called + if logged in, a 'human friendly' name to display for the user
+22:34 < jtanx> ok
+22:34 < jtanx> it's just about done. It auto redirects you (via javascript) to the login page if you're logged out (and vice versa)
+22:34 < jtanx> this can be disabled for debugging purposes by changing mctx.debug=true in mctx.gui.js
+22:34 < jtanx> it works quite well, I think
+22:35 < jtanx> I still haven't implemented the whole 'friendly name' thing though
+22:35 < jtanx> (e.g the 'Welcome Joe Bloggs' with the actual user name or something)
+22:40 < jtanx> test at: https://mctx.us.to:8043/test/
+22:42 < jtanx> except now there's a logout bug grr...
+22:46 < jtanx> fixed
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+14:50 < jtanx> so i'm in uni right now
+14:50 < jtanx> and was playing with the webcam
+14:50 < jtanx> If I followed this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=35689&p=314596
+14:51 < jtanx> It actually displays something and not the black image
+14:51 < jtanx> the problem is that it only displays maybe the top 5% of the image
+14:51 < jtanx> the rest is nothing
+14:51 < jtanx> I think the next step from here is to try compiling the latest version of the uvcvideo driver ourselves
+14:51 < jtanx> see if it helps
+14:59 < jtanx> google 'uvcvideo beaglebone issues'
+14:59 < jtanx> I wonder how we didn't see that before
+15:00 < jtanx> http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/223368.aspx
+15:03 < jtanx> so many issues getting the camera to work
+15:03 < jtanx> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/sgCwaP5RVUo/aFPBOk02A7IJ
+15:04 < jtanx> fwiw I'm not sure we'll be able to support cameras at all, at this rate
+15:04 < jtanx> although some seem to have success with UVC video. no idea why
+15:08 < jtanx> except I was testing it on angstrom
+15:08 < jtanx> when i boot off the sd card, there's no modprobe and no rmmod
+15:08 < jtanx> tf
+15:08 < jtanx> wtf
+15:10 < jtanx> derp
+15:10 < jtanx> not root
+15:20 < jtanx> well crap, I got it working with ffmpeg
+15:20 < jtanx> ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -input_format mjpeg -i /dev/video0 -vcodec copy o.mjpg
+15:21 < jtanx> along with the 'uvcvideo nodrop=1 timeout=5000 quriks=0x80'
+15:21 < jtanx> it spits out a bunch of warnings though
+15:26 < jtanx> ahh
+15:26 < jtanx> if set to rawvideo
+15:27 < jtanx> 640x480 is not supported
+15:27 < jtanx> it must be that it's such a large resolution that only mjpg is supported
+15:27 < jtanx> 320x240 works fine
+15:32 < jtanx> ah well
+15:32 < jtanx> that's alll for now
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+22:15 < jtanx> I got user friendly names working
+22:15 < jtanx> 'except by user friendly I mean their usernames
+22:16 < jtanx> I guess for LDAP we could look up their real name? but I don't know how to do that.
+22:19 < sam_moore> I'm not sure how, but it can be done
+22:20 < sam_moore> However it's probably a fair amount of work
+22:20 < sam_moore> So I'd make it low priority
+22:20 < jtanx> yeah ok
+22:20 < sam_moore> Afterall, *they* know who they are
+22:20 < sam_moore> Good work with the camera
+22:20 < sam_moore> I'll be in tomorrow morning I guess
+22:20 < sam_moore> Working on another project now
+22:21 < jtanx> Yeah, the camera's still not finished though - it's really buggy and I only got it working with ffmpeg and not opencv
+22:21 < sam_moore> Anything is progress
+22:23 < sam_moore> 0/away
+22:24 < sam_moore> Stupid network lag
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